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Post by proletariat on Feb 28, 2010 12:37:53 GMT -6
"The UK is in DEEP trouble...
The population of this country is approximately 60 million.
32 million are retired.
That leaves 28 million to do the work.
There are 17 million in school or at Universities.
Which leaves 11 million to do the work.
Of this there are 8 million employed by the UK government.
Leaving 3 million to do the work.
1.2 million are in the armed forces preoccupied with killing Osama Bin-Laden, and fighting in Afghanistan.
Which leaves 1.8 million to do the work.
Take from that total the 0.8 million people who work for Local County Councils. And that leaves 1 million to do the work.
At any given time there are 488,000 people in hospitals or claiming Invalidity Benefit.
Leaving 512,000 to do the work.
Now, there are 511,998 people in prisons.
That leaves just two people to do the work.
You and me.
And there you are, sitting on your arse, reading jokes."
Wonder what the US numbers are?
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Feb 28, 2010 17:09:24 GMT -6
Wonder what the US numbers are? from the BLS Household Survey: www.bls.gov/web/cpseea1.pdfThere are 236,832,000 Americans over age 16 who are not in prison. from the CBO: www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/88xx/doc8877/Chapter3.6.1.shtmlThere are 50 million people now collecting Social Security. Calculating: 236.832 million - 50 million = 186.832 million workers. 186.832 million Americans are over 16 and not collecting Social Security. This is roughly the number of Americans who could be working if enough jobs were available. from the BLS: data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?&series_id=CES9000000001Government Employment is 22,472,000. Calculating: 186.832 million - 22.472 million = 164.36 million. 164.36 million is the approximate # of those available for private employment. Again, from the Household Survey (at the link from above) 138.333 million is the total number of Americans working as of Jan 2010. (This includes Government employment.) from above, 22.472 million Americans work for the Government. Calculating: 138.333 million - 22.472 million = 115.861 million115.861 million Americans are working in the private sector. from above: 164.36 million total are available for work in the private sector. 164.36 million - 115.861 million = 48.5 million48.5 million non-working Americans are available for private employment. This number can be expanded, if retired workers are incentivized to come out of retirement and return to the work force. 48.5 mill Americans are not employed AND available for work at present. Our population increases by 3 million/year. There's no shortage of labor in the US, nor will there be one in the foreseeable future.
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Post by agito on Feb 28, 2010 19:05:28 GMT -6
you didn't subtract fulltime students from that list. (even though most of them do work part time)
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Feb 28, 2010 19:22:10 GMT -6
you didn't subtract fulltime students from that list. (even though most of them do work part time) Full time students are still available for work, if the opportunity is right (i.e., pay). A lot of people go to college specifically because there are no jobs available, and a lot newly unemployed return to school because of job loss. A lot of people choose to continue their education to a higher level--such as on to graduate work--because there are no jobs available--when they would have otherwise stopped at lower level had jobs been more plentiful.
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Mar 1, 2010 3:33:18 GMT -6
I should elaborate a little bit on my previous post.
The only full-time students that are absolutely committed to not leaving their programs early for good jobs are those in the military academy and those in professional schools--such as Medicine, Dentistry, and Law (and even here, some pursue law degrees on a part-time basis).
There are ~130 medical schools in the US. The program is 4 years, with an average class size of ~100 students. So that's 400 students per school.
400 x 130 = 52,000.
I think Dental School is 4 years as well, though I'm not certain.
There are probably another another 26,000 in Dental School.
Students in both of these professional schools have at least a 98% completion rate. For the sake of discussion, let's just say it's 100%.
This pulls 78,000 out of the participating labor force and out of the pool of those who are available for work.
At this point, I have no idea how many students there are in law school. But here the nature of study is at least a little more amenable to part-time study, making at least some of these students available for work.
Regarding the military academies--the Naval Academy in Annapolis, MD, and the Army at West Point, there might be as many as 10,000 total (or maybe 20,000).
But the sum total of all of these--Medical School, Dental School, Law School, and the military academies--is far less than 1 million.
In my view, these are the only students in higher educational programs that are absolutely unavailable for full-time work.
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Post by jeffolie on Mar 1, 2010 11:49:04 GMT -6
In my experience the drop out rate for law school is high among the easier to get into law schools.
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Post by agito on Mar 1, 2010 18:13:41 GMT -6
That's an overly simplistic way of looking at it UnLC. My experience on the campus I went to was that very few students would have left school for a full time job. Once you complete a degree, you are done, you don't have to go back (at least, you don't think so). The idea of taking a job and then having to find a way to complete the rest of your 18 or 36 or whatever units you need from just your last year is anathema.
Add to that fact that you can avoid loan repayment while you are in school, and continue to milk any financial aid you are receiving- and I think you have a significant population there for statistical purposes.
What will be more interesting though is that I expect that population to shrink, one of the many indicators of the country going backward.
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Mar 1, 2010 22:48:25 GMT -6
That's an overly simplistic way of looking at it UnLC. My experience on the campus I went to was that very few students would have left school for a full time job. My experience was exactly the opposite. I went to a small college, and was actually involved in delivering student mail to student mail boxes. As a result, I had some direct connection to information about student enrollment and returning students. Though I never actually counted returnees, it appeared that less than 1/3 of the students who enrolled as freshmen ever finished. It is possible they transferred elsewhere. But I suspect a majority of them simply stopped attending college altogether. There were relatively few transfers in from other schools.
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