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Post by jeffolie on May 6, 2012 12:32:20 GMT -6
Elizabeth Warren: Fauxcahontas Am. Indian status questioned Gotcha Politics got Warren in a way that SuperPAC attack ads and controversy may defeat her in the fall or not. Affirmative Action hiring remains a hot button issue especially if a white woman lied. Did she lie? No matter if she did not, the mere appearance of fraud or abuse will dog her political life until she verifies that she has American Indian heritage and enough time passes for this hot button issue to become less newsworthy to white voters in Massachusetts. ==================================== May 6, 2012 Clueless: Kim Kardashian and Elizabeth Warren " ... Elizabeth Warren a/k/a Fauxcahontas " ...The Supreme Court, in a case known as Fisher v. University of Texas is about to consider whether public universities should be forbidden use of "diversity" in consideration for admission. This week, Elizabeth Warren, candidate for Senate in Massachusetts has shown how rotten to the core and easily gamed is the entire notion of diversity -- something which in my opinion has substantially undercut the academic rigor of American universities and the productivity of its businesses. " ...Ms. Warren parlayed a not overtly distinguished college and law school career into a tenured position at Harvard Law School. On leave from there, she went to work for the Administration as chair of the Troubled Relief Asset Program and Assistant to the President and Special Advisor to the Secretary of the Treasury for the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. " ... From that spot, the ever ambitious Ms Warren decided to run against Senator Scott Brown for the Senate. Like Martha Coakley before her, she obviously viewed the former Kennedy seat as a given for whichever Democrat garnered the nomination. " ... Now, however, obviously for the first time in her career, she is being closely vetted, and in the process she turns out to be an autobiography fabulist, as well as an embodiment for what's wrong with using "diversity" to fill academic slots. It seems that Ms Warren, who had an 1/32 or maybe even 1/64 American Indian Heritage and who had never suffered any disadvantage on account of her assumed but unverifiable heritage, had held herself out as a member of a minority group in the Association of American Law Schools Directory, and she maintained that listing, and Harvard bragged of it in hiring her, until sometime after the hire when she and the school dropped the issue. Ms. Warren at first claimed, as did some academic supporters, that that minority listing had nothing to do with her hiring. www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/../2012/05/clueless_kim_kardashian_and_elizabeth_warren.html
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Post by jeffolie on May 8, 2012 15:06:26 GMT -6
Affirmative Action hiring remains a hot button issue especially if a white woman lied. Did Warren lie? No matter if she did not, the mere appearance of fraud or abuse will dog her political life until she verifies that she has American Indian heritage and enough time passes for this hot button issue to become less newsworthy to white voters in Massachusetts. Conservative media breitbart hits Warren today with in unverifiable claim. If her ancestory was unproven before, then how is this breitbart claim anymore valid? ============================================ Elizabeth Warren Ancestor Rounded Up Cherokees For Trail of Tears For over a quarter of a century, Elizabeth Warren has described herself as a Native American. When recently asked to provide evidence of her ancestry, she pointed to an unsubstantiated claim on an 1894 Oklahoma Territory marriage license application by her great-great grand uncle William J. Crawford that his mother, O.C. Sarah Smith Crawford, Ms. Warren's great-great-great grandmother, was a Cherokee. After researching her story, it is obvious that her "family lore" is just fiction. As I pointed out in my article here on Sunday, no evidence supports this claim. O.C. Sarah Smith Crawford had no Cherokee heritage, was listed as "white" in the Census of 1860, and was most likely half Swedish and half English, Scottish, or German, or some combination thereof. (Note, the actual 1894 marriage license makes no claim of Cherokee ancestry.) But the most stunning discovery about the life of O.C. Sarah Smith Crawford is that her husband, Ms. Warren's great-great-great grandfather, was apparently a member of the Tennessee Militia who rounded up Cherokees from their family homes in the Southeastern United States and herded them into government-built stockades in what was then called Ross’s Landing (now Chattanooga), Tennessee—the point of origin for the horrific Trail of Tears, which began in January, 1837. This new information about Ms. Warren’s true heritage came as a direct result of a lead provided to me by William Jacobson over at Legal Insurrection, who in turn had received the information from one of his readers. Jacobson, who has questioned Warren's explanation for her law faculty listing, calls this discovery "the ultimate and cruelest irony" of the Warren Cherokee saga. Jonathan Crawford, O.C. Sarah Smith Crawford’s husband and apparently Ms. Warren's great-great-great grandfather, served in the East Tennessee Mounted Infantry Volunteer Militia commanded by Brigadier General R. G. Dunlap from late 1835 to late 1836. While under Dunlap’s command he was a member of Major William Lauderdale’s Battalion, and Captain Richard E. Waterhouse’s Company. These were the troops responsible for removing Cherokee families from homes they had lived in for generations in the three states that the Cherokee Nations had considered their homelands for centuries: Georgia, North Carolina, and Tennessee. While these involuntary home removals were not characterized by widespread violence, the newly displaced Cherokee mothers, fathers, and children found an oppressive and sometimes brutal welcome when they finally arrived at the hastily constructed containment areas. An estimated 4,000 Cherokees were warehoused in Ross’s Landing stockades for months awaiting supplies and additional armed guards the Federal Government believed necessary to relocate them on foot to Oklahoma. Jonathan Crawford most likely did not join the regular Army troops who "escorted" these Cherokees along the Trail of Tears. He did, however, serve once more with Major William Lauderdale's re-formed Batallion of Tennessee Mounted Infantry Volunteer Militia. This group fought the Seminole Indians in Florida during the Second Seminole War. Crawford arrived in Florida in November, 1837, and served there for six months until his unit was disbanded in Baton Rouge, Louisiana the following May. (Note: It was not uncommon in those days for militia formed to serve for a limited period of time under specific commanders would reform later under the same commanders.) Jonathan Crawford's service as a Private in Captain Richard E. Waterhouse's Company of Major William Lauderdale's Battalion of Mounted Infantry in Brigadier General R. G. Dunlap's East Tennessee Mounted Infantry Volunteers is confirmed by his appearance in the muster roll of the Brigade, taken around June of 1836. (Note that this transcription of the muster roll incorrectly lists the date as 1832.) His service a year later (1837) in Major William Lauderdale's Tennessee Volunteer Mounted Infantry (Five companies of volunteers, one of which was led by Captain Richard E. Waterhouse) is confirmed by his widow O.C. Sarah Smith Crawford’s 1851 pension application before the Bledsoe County, Tennessee commissioners Meanwhile, William J. Crawford (Elizabeth Warren's great-great grandfather who would, fifty-seven years later, falsely claim that his mother was Cherokee in that now-infamous 1894 Oklahoma Territory marriage license application) was born in Bledsoe County, Tennessee in 1837. This was just a few months after his father apparently helped remove thousands of Cherokees from their homes and a few months before his father went off to fight Seminole Indians in Florida. His father, Jonathan Crawford, Elizabeth Warren's great-great-great grandfather, died in Jackson County, Tennessee in 1841. His mother, O.C. Sarah Smith Crawford, died sometime between 1860 and 1870 - most likely in Bledsoe County, Tennessee. Neither O.C. Sarah Smith Crawford, Jonathan Crawford, nor any of their seven other children, apparently ever claimed that O.C. Sarah Smith Crawford had Cherokee heritage. As recently as two weeks ago, Ms. Warren publicly claimed to have Native American ancestry. In Dorchester, Massachusetts on April 27 at the Bricklayers and Allied Craftsmen Apprentice Training Center she stated, “I am very proud of my Native American heritage.” Yet, decades after she first made this same claim, it now appears that it is without any foundation. It is time for Ms. Warren to publicly acknowledge the truth of her ancestry. It is time for her to admit that she has no Native American heritage that she can prove; and it is time for her to acknowledge instead, that she is likely a direct descendant of a Tennessee Militiaman who apparently rounded up the ancestors of those who truly have Cherokee heritage, the first step in their forced removal from the Southeastern United States to Oklahoma over the long and tragic Trail of Tears. Michael Patrick Leahy is the Editor of Broadside Books’ Voices of the Tea Party e-book series, and author of Covenant of Liberty: The Ideological Origins of the Tea Party Movement. www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/08/Elizabeth-Warren-Ancestor-Trail-of-Tears
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Post by jeffolie on May 8, 2012 15:43:18 GMT -6
Brown calls on Warren to reveal law school records May 8, 2012 U.S. Sen. Scott Brown demanded that Elizabeth Warren release her law school applications and personnel files today, saying questions about Warren’s Native American heritage mean she must answer, “ whether it was appropriate for her to assume minority status as a professor.” The demand comes two days after the Massachusetts Republican Party called for Harvard to investigate potential “academic fraud” committed by Warren. “Serious questions have been raised about the legitimacy of Elizabeth Warren’s claims to Native American ancestry and whether it was appropriate for her to assume minority status as a college professor. Her changing stories, contradictions and refusal to answer legitimate questions have cast doubt on her credibility and called into question the diversity practices at Harvard,” said Brown in a statement. He went on to say: “The best way to satisfy these questions is for Elizabeth Warren to authorize the release of her law school applications and all personnel files from the various universities where she has taught. I have released hundreds of pages of confidential employment records relating to my 32-year career in the National Guard, and I would encourage Professor Warren to do the same with respect to her personnel records and previous applications. As candidates for high public office, we have a duty to be transparent and open and not hide behind a wall of silence in the midst of public controversy.” Warren said she learned of her Cherokee and Delaware roots through family lore, and a genealogist said he found ties that could mean Warren in 1/32 Cherokee, but Harvard Law School professors said Warren’s Native American lineage was not a factor when they hired her. A Warren spokeswoman said Brown’s questions have already been answered. “Once again, Republican Senator Brown is shamelessly attempting to divert attention from his record on the issues that really matter in this election, like the cost of student loans,” said Alethea Harney in a statement. “Minutes after Scott Brown voted with his Republican party to double interest rates on student loans, he ridiculously attacked Elizabeth Warren with questions that have already been answered.” A Rasmussen poll released today shows that Brown and Warren remain neck and neck despite Warren’s tough week of negative press, with both picking up 45 percent of likely voters in the survey conducted May 7. Brown’s demands come as Bay State Democrats blasted him for setting up a secretive “New York City finance committee,” saying the undercover committee helps him raise money from big business honchos and furthers his ties to Wall Street. “Republican Senator Scott Brown is on Wall Street begging industry execs in New York City and delivering for them in Washington DC,” said Massachusetts Democratic Party Chair John Walsh in a statement. “Brown has a clear record of putting the interests of big banks and Wall Street ahead of Massachusetts families and now he is refusing to come clean about who is on his New York City Finance Committee and what they’ve been promised in return for raising campaign cash.” A Brown spokesman told the Herald it was a one-time fundraising committee, but did not further explain who was in the committee or when it was created. He again declined to answer questions today, instead releasing the statement from Brown that shifts the focus to likely Warren’s Native American heritage. bostonherald.com/news/politics/view/20220508brown_calls_on_warren_to_reveal_law_school_records/srvc=home&position=0
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on May 9, 2012 11:36:24 GMT -6
Brown calls on Warren to reveal law school records May 8, 2012 U.S. Sen. Scott Brown demanded that Elizabeth Warren release her law school applications and personnel files today, saying questions about Warren’s Native American heritage mean she must answer, “ whether it was appropriate for her to assume minority status as a professor.” Who cares? Of all the irrelevant minutia, this takes the cake.
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Post by blueneck on May 9, 2012 11:57:42 GMT -6
Brown calls on Warren to reveal law school records May 8, 2012 U.S. Sen. Scott Brown demanded that Elizabeth Warren release her law school applications and personnel files today, saying questions about Warren’s Native American heritage mean she must answer, “ whether it was appropriate for her to assume minority status as a professor.” Who cares? Of all the irrelevant minutia, this takes the cake. Indeed - Warren is one of the good guys, fighting for labor, critical of wall street, not a free traitor
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Post by jeffolie on May 10, 2012 16:37:41 GMT -6
What does it matter? Reverse Discrimination I have been denied employment because minorities were favored. Tainting the system with manipulated minorities adds insult to my injury. Falsely claiming minority status along with a 'wink and a nod' by employers insults minorities denied hiring because of the hiring of ineligible preferred inside tract manipulations that play on a system purposely vague and permitting 'unverifiable' minority status. Gaming the hiring system in public schools and government employment must be condemned as an insult to job seekers more meritorious without insider gaming hiring. Often in my experience, a person can claim minority status without the fear of being punished for false claims because rarely if ever is the time and money applied to verify minority status ... 'you are what you claim to be' is too sensitive an issue to investigate for fear of the challenge to the minority status being the subject of a discrimination action by governments or lawsuits compounded by the tainted reputation being created by just investigating of being called a racist person or organization. " ... she later listed herself as a minority in a legal directory that is often consulted by hiring deans...Warren listed herself as a minority in a widely used Association of American law Schools directory from 1986 through 1995....Warren has said she was proud of her Native American heritage and that she was hoping to connect with “people like me.” The directory, however, did not list her as someone with Native American heritage. It simply said “minority.” ... " Ignoring, Warren's actions and the career she was able to achieve based on a tainted, unverifiable minor status ... gets me mad. Having minorities paraded as trophies gets me mad. Having Warren paraded as a trophy minority gets me mad. Warren's minority status "trophy like" paraded, celebrated: " ... A second law school, the University of Pennsylvania, has touted Elizabeth Warren as a minority faculty member in an official school publication..." Did Warren step up to change the Unv. of Penn touting her minority status or was she even aware of it? Good factual questions I do not know. The original piece in the thread questions her minority status which she listed from 1989 to 2005. As a hopeful, wannbe US Senator I question her history of using the minority status the same way I would doubt people with unverifiable Medals of Honor. Warren's honesty and reputation should be a concern to voters. She could have been a political appointee by Obama in part based on her minority status. Future employers or politicans who might want to employ her should examine her claim to indicate if she tells the truth about herself after being celebrated and paraded as a minority. ================================== Records shed more light on Elizabeth Warren’s minority status A second law school, the University of Pennsylvania, has touted Elizabeth Warren as a minority faculty member in an official school publication, according to an online document obtained by the Globe. The University of Pennsylvania, where Warren taught at the law school from 1987 through 1995, listed her as a minority in a “Minority Equity Report” posted on its website. The report, published in 2005, well after her departure, included her as the winner of a faculty award in 1994. Her name was highlighted in bold, the designation used for minorities in the report. A spokesman for the law school did not immediately return a phone message today. The reference offers another piece of evidence that Warren was identified as a Native American as part of her professional career. Warren has said she was unaware that Harvard University, her current employer, had described her as a Native American when it was under fire for a lack of diversity on its law school faculty. Warren has said she has long believed she has Native American ancestry, based on family lore, but has not documented the connection and is not enrolled in a tribe. One genealogist has found evidence that Warren is 1/32 Cherokee. Faculty and deans from each of the law schools where she has taught have said her ancestry was not a factor in her hiring. The Warren campaign today pointed to a previous statement from Stephen Burbank, a professor and former dean at Penn Law School who helped recruit her to the faculty there. “Her appointment was based on the excellence of her scholarship and teaching. I do not know whether members of the faculty were even aware of her ancestry, but I am confident that it played no role whatsoever in her appointment,” Burbank said in a statement last week. Burbank donated $250 to Warren’s campaign in December. Meanwhile, the Globe has also obtained a portion of Warren’s 1973 application to Rutgers, where she attended law school. That document specifically asks: “Are you interested in applying for admission under the Program for Minority Group Students?” Warren answered “no.” In addition, a newly unearthed University of Texas personnel document shows that Warren listed herself as “white” when she taught at the law school there from 1981 to 1991. The undated document, obtained by the Globe through a public records request, supports Warren’s statement that she did not present herself as a Native American when hired for the job. But it leaves open the question of why she later listed herself as a minority in a legal directory that is often consulted by hiring deans. Warren’s employment document at the University of Texas allowed her to check multiple boxes specifying “the racial category or categories with which you most closely identify.” The options included “American Indian or Alaskan Native,” but she chose only white. The form was probably not filled out by Warren until soon after she was hired, within a year, according to Annela M. Lopez, senior administrative associate in the office of the vice president and chief financial officer. Lopez said professors typically do not fill out standard job applications and instead rely on curriculum vitae when applying for jobs. Once hired, professors and other employees are required to fill out a larger biographical form, which includes the minority identification question. Lopez said the school’s records indicate that Warren did not update her form after she first filled it out, probably sometime around 1981. The school had previously told the Globe that its electronic records indicate Warren listed herself as white. Neither the University of Pennsylvania, where Warren subsequently taught, nor Harvard, where she has taught since 1995, has released employment records for Warren, a Democrat running for the US Senate against Republican Senator Scott Brown. Both Harvard and Penn are private institutions and are not required to release their employment records under law. Brown has challenged Warren to ask the schools to make those documents available. She has declined and called the issue a distraction. The emergence of the University of Texas form does not explain why Warren listed herself as a minority in a widely used Association of American law Schools directory from 1986 through 1995. Warren has said she was proud of her Native American heritage and that she was hoping to connect with “people like me.” The directory, however, did not list her as someone with Native American heritage. It simply said “minority.” Harvard Law School also touted Warren as a Native American in the Harvard Crimson when it was under fire for a lack of diversity on its faculty. Leonard P. Strickman, founding dean at Florida International University, one of the nation’s most diverse law schools, said deans often consult the Association of American Law Schools directory when seeking out minority applicants, but look more rigorously at scholarship before making hires. The form filled out by faculty, he said, requires them to check off a box that includes more specific categories of ethnic and racial background. The directory, however, just uses the broader term “minority.” He said schools encourage faculty to list their minority backgrounds in the directory if it can be backed up factually. www.boston.com/politicalintelligence/2012/05/10/records-shed-more-light-elizabeth-warren-minority-status/0frnjL8PwVQe2dmUAJC3vM/story.html?p1=News_links
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Post by graybeard on May 11, 2012 9:52:21 GMT -6
How else could someone not brainwashed to despise the great unwashed masses (the American people) rise so high?
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on May 11, 2012 11:46:34 GMT -6
There's a point that may be getting missed in this whole discussion.
It's the concept of "underrepresented" minority. I don't know what was considered an underrepresented minority at Warren's law school.
In med school the 2 main ones were Black & Hispanic. But a non-underrepresented minority carried no benefit. For example, applicants received no "minority" status for being Asian, since they were not under-represented. I don't recall if American Indian was considered or not.
In my class of 100, there were 4 Blacks. 1 of them was the best student in class. Another ranked at about the 80th percentile. Another at about the 60th. And the 4th one was right around the middle, or a little lower (which was about where I was).
At best, only 1 of the Black students' admissions was influence by race. That's 1 out of 100.
There were probably 2000 applicants who were rejected.
Most of them were white. The bulk of the students who displaced them were white.
If no consideration had been given for race, only 1 additional student would have been accepted.
Blaming race or minority status for non-acceptance at my medical school would have been idiotic. It was the 96 non-minority students that displaced them, not the 4 minority students.
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Post by blueneck on May 11, 2012 15:03:43 GMT -6
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Post by jeffolie on May 19, 2012 16:53:57 GMT -6
another Tea Party authored 'Warren gotcha politics' piece questions if Warren was always a liar and intellectual property thief: ================================ Did Elizabeth Warren Plagiarize Her 'Pow Wow Chow' Recipes? The credibility of Massachusetts Democratic Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren took another hit today as Boston radio talk show host Howie Carr released evidence that appears to confirm Ms. Warren may have plagiarized at least three of the five recipes she submitted to the 1984 Pow Wow Chow cookbook edited by her cousin Candy Rowsey. Two of the possibly plagiarized recipes, said in the Pow Wow Chow cookbook to have been passed down through generations of Oklahoma Native American members of the Cherokee tribe, are described in a New York Times News Service story as originating at Le Pavilion, a fabulously expensive French restaurant in Manhattan. The dishes were said to be particular favorites of the Duke and Duchess of Windsor and Cole Porter. The two recipes, "Cold Omelets with Crab Meat" and "Crab with Tomato Mayonnaise Dressing," appear in an article titled “Cold Omelets with Crab Meat,” written by Pierre Franey of the New York Times News Service that was published in the August 22, 1979 edition of the Virgin Islands Daily News, a copy of which can be seen here. Ms. Warren’s 1984 recipe for Crab with Tomato Mayonnaise Dressing is a word-for-word copy of Mr. Franey’s 1979 recipe. Mrs. Warren’s 1984 recipe for Cold Omelets with Crab Meat contains all four of the ingredients listed in Mr. Franey’s 1979 recipe in the exact same portion but lists five additional ingredients. More significantly, her instructions are virtually a word for word copy of Mr. Franey’s instructions from this 1979 article. Both instructions specify the use of a “seven inch Teflon pan.” The 1984 Pow Wow Chow recipe reads: Use a small omelet pan, or, preferably, a seven-inch Teflon pan. Heat about one-half teaspoon butter in the pan. Add about one-third cup of the egg mixture. Let cook until firm and lightly brown on the bottom, stirring quickly with a fork until the omelet starts to set. When set slip a large pancake turner under the omelet starts to set. When set, slip a large pancake turner under the omelet and turn it quickly to the other side. Let cook about five seconds. Remember, you want to produce a flat omelet, not a typical folded omelet. Turn the omelets out flat onto a sheet of was paper. Continue making omelets until all the egg mixture is used. Ms. Warren’s instructions are word-for-word copies of Mr. Franey’s 1979 instructions for this recipe, with one exception. Ms. Warren says, “Let cook until firm and lightly brown…” and Mr. Franey says “Let cook until firm and lightly browned…” [emphasis added] Mr. Franey elaborates in this 1979 article on the origins of the recipe: When I was chef at Le Pavilion it enjoyed a considerable esteem in America, and the owner, Henri Soule, had one particular specialty that he would ask to have prepared for his pet customers. The dish was a great favorite of the Duke and Duchess of Windsor and Cole Porter. It is a delicate and interesting creation, especially good for summer dining. It consists of small omelets, flavored with herbs and bits of tomato, served cold with a crab meat filling…This is not the usual oval-shaped omelet rolled over a filling and served hot. It is a flat omelet that is cooked like a pancake and turned over once on the skillet, then served cold. [emphasis added] Mr. Franey does not suggest that the Duke and Duchess of Windsor enjoyed Cold Omelets with Crab Meat due to any claim on their behalf of Cherokee ancestry, though it is true that the Duchess was American born. The third potentially plagiarized recipe, "Herbed Tomatoes," appears to be copied from this 1959 recipe from Better Homes and Garden. Ms. Warren ‘s campaign has not commented on the suggestion that she may have plagiarized her recipe contributions to the Pow Wow Chow cookbook. Sales of the Pow Wow Chow have heated up on Amazon since this controversy began, vaulting from a lowly 1.2 million ranking book to number 11,289 early this morning. Michael Patrick Leahy is a Breitbart News contributor, Editor of Broadside Books’ Voices of the Tea Party e-book series, and author of Covenant of Liberty: The Ideological Origins of the Tea Party Movement. www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/18/did-elizabeth-warren-plagiarize-pow-wow-chow-recipes
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Post by jeffolie on May 25, 2012 9:34:26 GMT -6
I doubt the gottcha political press will stop digging for bits and pieces that reinforce the Native American Claim asserted by Warren unfairly advanced her ... will voters ignore this issue by the Nov elections or will enough Independent voters take the negative bait to defeat Warren? ========================= Filings add to questions on Warren’s ethnic claims May 25, 2012 Elizabeth Warren has not proven she has a Native American ancestor, instead saying she based her belief on family lore. US Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren has said she was unaware that Harvard Law School had been promoting her purported Native American heritage until she read about it in a newspaper several weeks ago. But for at least six straight years during Warren’s tenure, Harvard University reported in federally mandated diversity statistics that it had a Native American woman in its senior ranks at the law school. According to both Harvard officials and federal guidelines, those statistics are almost always based on the way employees describe themselves. In addition, both Harvard’s guidelines and federal regulations for the statistics lay out a specific definition of Native American that Warren does not meet. The documents suggest for the first time that either Warren or a Harvard administrator classified her repeatedly as Native American in papers prepared for the government in a way that apparently did not adhere to federal diversity guidelines. They raise further questions about Warren’s statements that she was unaware Harvard was promoting her as Native American. The Warren campaign declined Thursday to answer the Globe’s specific questions about the documents. In a statement, Warren’s spokeswoman, Alethea Harney, said that “over the past month Elizabeth has answered countless questions openly while the people who recruited her have made it clear it was because of her extraordinary skill as a teacher and a groundbreaking scholar.’’ ‘Over the past month, Elizabeth has answered countless questions openly.’ Alethea Harney, spokeswoman for Elizabeth Warren In recent weeks, Warren has repeatedly said that her race was not a factor in her hiring at Harvard or elsewhere, a point that several colleagues and supervisors at the schools have publicly supported. There is nothing in the federally required documents that contradicts those statements. Warren, who has been dogged with questions about her ancestry since late April, was again grilled by reporters during a campaign stop in Brookline Thursday, but she refused to answer most of the queries, instead trying to shift the focus to Senator Scott Brown’s economic record. The US Department of Labor requires large employers to collect diversity statistics annually and suggests they be based on employees’ classification of themselves. In cases in which employees do not self-identify, federal regulations allow some administrators to make judgment calls on the correct categories using “employment records or observer identification.’’ The administrator responsible for Harvard Law School’s faculty diversity statistics from 1996 to 2004, the period in question, was Alan Ray, a citizen of the Cherokee Nation who, like Warren, has fair skin, blue eyes, and Oklahoma roots. But Ray, now president of Elmhurst College in Illinois, said in a statement that he “did not encourage the Law School to list any faculty member as one particular race or ethnicity, including Professor Warren.’’ He further said through a spokeswoman that he “never encouraged any faculty member to list himself or herself in a particular way.’’ Ray added that Harvard “always accepted whatever identification a faculty member wanted to provide,’’ a characterization another highly placed former Harvard administrator backed up. In a statement to the Globe Thursday, Harvard disavowed any wrongdoing, saying that it “adheres to the Department of Education and Department of Labor regulations and guidance concerning the reporting of race and ethnicity.’’ In the years before Warren first came to Harvard Law, the school was under intense pressure to diversify its faculty. In 1990, Derrick Bell, a prominent black law professor, went on a one-man strike, taking an unpaid leave of absence to protest the fact that the law school had not yet brought a black female academic permanently on board. He was dismissed from the faculty. The same year, the Department of Labor audited Harvard’s diversity practices based on its affirmative action plan, the thick census and policy document all major employers are required to compile each year and make available to the department on request. Also in 1990, 12 students sued the law school, alleging it discriminated against academic job applicants on the basis of race and gender. The suit was ultimately dismissed when a judge ruled the students had not demonstrated that they were “persons aggrieved.’’ Harvard agreed to remedy 10 violations the Labor Department identified, bringing the audit to an end. But the controversy over diversity at Harvard Law did not cease. Warren arrived as a visiting professor in 1992, but left a year later. By then, she had been listing herself for seven years as a minority in a legal directory often used by law recruiters to make diversity-friendly hires. She continued to list herself in the book until 1995, the year she took a permanent position at Harvard. She has said she listed herself in the directory in hope of meeting others with a similar background, but stopped when she realized it was not working. A year later, in 1996, Harvard Law brought on Alan Ray to oversee academic affairs, including diversity statistics and faculty hiring. As the son of a full-blooded Cherokee mother, Ray was especially interested in that group. He held several positions in the school’s Native American program and aggressively tried to boost the number of Native Americans on campus. He personally e-mailed at least one prospective student, Carrie Lyons, a registered Cherokee from Oklahoma, encouraging her to attend. She did, although Ray’s efforts did not always succeed; the first-year class at the law school in 2001 had no Native American students in it. Recruiting a diverse law school faculty proved more difficult, given the lack of turnover. Ray did establish a visiting law professorship in Native American studies in 2003 with funding from the Oneida Indian Nation. That year, the director of Harvard’s Native American program was quoted in the law school newspaper bemoaning the university’s “lack of Native faculty in any of the schools.’’ But the school had begun describing Warren as Native American in the media soon after she was hired. In 1996, law school news director Mike Chmura, speaking to the Harvard Crimson, identified Warren as a Native American professor. In 1997, the Fordham Law Review, citing Chmura, referred to Warren as Harvard Law’s “first woman of color.’’ In 1998, Chmura wrote a letter to the New York Times, saying the law school had appointed or tenured “eight women, including a Native American.’’ Three days later, the Crimson again touched on the issue: “Harvard Law School currently has only one tenured minority woman, Gottlieb Professor of Law Elizabeth Warren, who is Native American.’’ Warren has said she was unaware of the media accounts. Asked when she found out the law school was describing her as a minority, Warren said, “I think I read it on the front page of the [Boston] Herald.’’ Chmura, now at Babson College, has refused phone and e-mail requests for an interview over the last week and a half. In 1999, Harvard started publishing its full affirmative action plan on its website in the belief that it might be considered a public document. The report from that year lists one Native American senior professor at the entire university. A section devoted specifically to the law school also lists a single Native American senior professor, presumably the same one. Both entries specify that the professor is female. The Harvard document defines Native American as “a person having origins in any of the original peoples of North America and who maintains cultural identification through tribal affiliation or community recognition.’’ It notes that this definition is consistent with federal regulations. It is not a definition Warren appears to fit. She has not proven she has a Native American ancestor, instead saying she based her belief on family lore, and she has no official tribal affiliation. The current executive director of Harvard’s Native American program has said she has no memory of Warren participating in any of its activities. Harvard continued to publish its affirmative action plans online in 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, and 2004. The school has analogous documents for the other years during Warren’s tenure, but has not published them online. The Globe was not able to obtain hard copies of those reports on Thursday. All of the available documents list a single female Native American senior professor at the university and specify that she is at the law school. After 2004, when there was a debate about whether the document should be public, the university stopped publishing the full annual documents on its website, instead releasing summaries with less specific data. In 2011, in another diversity census based on self-reported racial classification, Harvard Law listed a single Native American professor. It has not identified that professor’s name or gender. Brown has called on Harvard to release records that could shed light on how Warren and the school classified her heritage. But the law school bans divulging personal information about its employees, including race or ethnicity. bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/05/24/federal-documents-indicate-harvard-repeatedly-reported-elizabeth-warren-native-american/OZdiCFhjx5CCH3Es0sREHM/story.html
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on May 25, 2012 11:35:16 GMT -6
If you counted all the Americans who claim to be either Indian, or part Indian, it would come up to at least 50 million. I truly doubt that many people are, however.
My wife thinks she might be part Indian. At least, that's what some of her relatives have claimed.
I wouldn't be surprised if I was part Indian myself, considering the olive skin-coloring of my father and most of his 10 siblings and mother. But my father never said as much, and his only comment about his ancestry was "English." So I'm not going to make any claims to being Indian myself.
I've met at least a dozen blue-eyed individuals who claimed they were Indian (without further qualification), or at least part Indian. Many of them also were blonde-haired.
As it stands, I take it with a grain of salt when anyone tells me they are Indian (Native American), or part Indian.
I don't think most of them really know for sure. They're simply repeating something they were told by their relatives.
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Post by jeffolie on May 31, 2012 12:23:27 GMT -6
Elizabeth Warren Comes Clean All you really need to know from The Boston Globe's exhaustive report on Elizabeth Warren's ethnic identity is this: Warren finally admitted she told Harvard and Penn she was of Native American descent. Aside from Warren's actual admission, what's interesting about Mary Carmichael's and Stephanie Ebbert's story is not Warren's work history, which is laid out in intricate detail, but how the reporters used it to get the Massachusetts Democratic Senate candidate to cop to something she'd been denying. After digging through Harvard's archives and finding that the years the university's law school reported a Native American professor (it only had one), corresponded to the years Warren was on the faculty there. Then they brought the papers to the Warren campaign and asked the question again. Pretty simple stuff, all you journalism students, but you have to think to do it. Warren insisted that her claim had no bearing on her getting hired, but she did offer it as part of her biography, saying, "At some point after I was hired by them, I . . . provided that information to the University of Pennsylvania and Harvard... My Native American heritage is part of who I am, I’m proud of it and I have been open about it." RELATED: Scott Brown Edges Elizabeth Warren in New Poll Expect this small admission to be used as a cudgel by Sen. Scott Brown all the same, if only because Warren has dodged the question for so long. As Elspeth Reeve noted earlier this month, the trickle of hints that keeps coming out about Warren's heritage has damaged her because it buoys the suggestion that she inappropriately benefitted from affirmative action. Previously, Warren's line until the Globe story was that she only heard Harvard was claiming her as a minority when she read it in The Boston Herald. news.yahoo.com/elizabeth-warren-comes-clean-152354044.html
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Post by jeffolie on Jun 2, 2012 9:34:45 GMT -6
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Post by jeffolie on Jun 3, 2012 11:21:39 GMT -6
" ... She fessed up to telling Harvard and the University of Pennsylvania about her tribal roots when she had originally said she didn’t know how they found out. She also once again defended her heritage, telling supporters she won’t back down from her claims that she is part Cherokee and Delaware. “Well I say this, if that’s all you’ve got, Scott Brown, I’m ready,” Warren said after chastising Brown for focusing on her heritage. “And let me be clear: I am not backing down. I didn’t get in this race to fold up the first time I got punched.” But some Warren supporters were concerned the Harvard Law professor, already weakened from the scandal, would be further hurt in a primary with immigration attorney Marisa DeFranco. www.bostonherald.com/news/politics/view/20220603landslide_liz_ready_for_brown_showdown/
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Post by jeffolie on Jun 3, 2012 11:43:17 GMT -6
Imposter/poser: Does Warrens unsubstantiated, unproven claims rise to the level of mental illness? Did she claim status to gain the power of a minority and deluded herself? " ... Grandiose Type: delusion of inflated worth, power, knowledge, identity or believes himself/herself to be a famous person, claiming the actual person is an impostor or an impersonator. Read the indications below ... I find many indications=============================== Delusional disorder Indicators of a delusion The following can indicate a delusion:[6] 1.The patient expresses an idea or belief with unusual persistence or force. 2.That idea appears to exert an undue influence on the patient's life, and the way of life is often altered to an inexplicable extent. 3.Despite his/her profound conviction, there is often a quality of secretiveness or suspicion when the patient is questioned about it. 4.The individual tends to be humorless and oversensitive, especially about the belief. 5.There is a quality of centrality: no matter how unlikely it is that these strange things are happening to him, the patient accepts them relatively unquestioningly. 6.An attempt to contradict the belief is likely to arouse an inappropriately strong emotional reaction, often with irritability and hostility. 7. The belief is, at the least, unlikely, and out of keeping with the patient's social, cultural and religious background. 8.The patient is emotionally over-invested in the idea and it overwhelms other elements of their psyche. 9.The delusion, if acted out, often leads to behaviors which are abnormal and/or out of character, although perhaps understandable in the light of the delusional beliefs. 10.Individuals who know the patient observe that the belief and behavior are uncharacteristic and alien. Features The following features are found:[6] 1.It is a primary disorder. 2.It is a stable disorder characterized by the presence of delusions to which the patient clings with extraordinary tenacity. 3.The illness is chronic and frequently lifelong. 4.The delusions are logically constructed and internally consistent. 5.The delusions do not interfere with general logical reasoning (although within the delusional system the logic is perverted) and there is usually no general disturbance of behavior. If disturbed behavior does occur, it is directly related to the delusional beliefs. 6.The individual experiences a heightened sense of self-reference. Events which, to others, are nonsignificant are of enormous significance to him or her, and the atmosphere surrounding the delusions is highly charged. Types Diagnosis of a specific type of delusional disorder can sometimes be made based on the content of the delusions. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) enumerates six types: Erotomanic Type (erotomania): delusion that another person is in love with the individual, quite frequently a famous person. The individual may breach the law as he/she tries to obsessively make contact with the desired person. Grandiose Type: delusion of inflated worth, power, knowledge, identity or believes himself/herself to be a famous person, claiming the actual person is an impostor or an impersonator. Jealous Type: delusion that the individual's sexual partner is unfaithful when it is untrue. The patient may follow the partner, check text messages, emails, phone calls etc. in an attempt to find "evidence" of the infidelity. Persecutory Type: This delusion is a common subtype. It includes the belief that the person (or someone to whom the person is close) is being malevolently treated in some way. The patient may believe that he/she has been drugged, spied-on, harassed and so on and may seek "justice" by making police reports, taking court action or even acting violently. Somatic Type: delusions that the person has some physical defect or general medical condition (for example, see delusional parasitosis). (Lippincott, 2008).[7] Mixed Type: delusions with characteristics of more than one of the above types but with no one theme predominating. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusional_disorder
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Jun 3, 2012 12:45:49 GMT -6
When all is said and done, I'd vote for Elizabeth Warren in a heartbeat.
It's her potential performance as a Senator that I'm interested in, not non-performance, personal information-related things she said in the past.
I don't care if she's really a guy in drag, and has been lying about it all these years.
What I care about is what she will do for the country if she wins her Senate race.
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Post by jeffolie on Jun 3, 2012 14:46:29 GMT -6
When all is said and done, I'd vote for Elizabeth Warren in a heartbeat. It's her potential performance as a Senator that I'm interested in, not non-performance, personal information-related things she said in the past. I don't care if she's really a guy in drag, and has been lying about it all these years. What I care about is what she will do for the country if she wins her Senate race. Warren lies, I accept that most politicans lie ... I would vote for her while holding my nose anyways. Democrats could have done better with just a little effort. Warren disgusts me and I do not trust her anymore than I would trust Romney to help average Americans. Warren reminds me how Democrats could have easily avoided Obama and selected Hillary. Like Obama in 2008, Warren appears to be an opportunist who primary goals are money (see the house flipping fortune below piece) and power without a significant moral, ethical base. I wonder what such a flawed personality would actually vote for as a Senator? I suspect she might not fulfill the expectations she postures to present. Democratic Party skipped the contest that might have had a different candidate ... a more ethical and more normal personality candidate on Friday ... instead Warren the imposter who claims the high ground and actually performs the low ground now is a vulnerable candidate. Warren's reputation should be tainted by the below HOUSE FLIPPER FORTUNE SHE MADE... How could Democrats be enthusiastic for a house flipper that hypocritically criticizes house flippers? Democrats appear to be presenting weak candidates in Warren and Obama ... Independents rule with a purality and may find weak candidates unacceptable. Regardless of my political desires, I predict Warren will not win for that same reasons that I predicted that Obama will not be elected for a 2nd term. Independents will find her unacceptable. ========================== Harsh Foreclosure Critic Elizabeth Warren Reportedly Made a Fortune…‘Flipping’ Foreclosed Homes June 2, 2012 Elizabeth Warren has been plagued throughout her campaign for a Massachusetts Senate seat by what appear to fibs of her own creation. It began when claimed to be Cherokee, because her “Papa” (pronounced “Papauw”) had high cheekbones, and there was “family lore.” She reportedly rode that claim all the way to Harvard, where she was pronounced a “minority professor,” when in reality, a genealogist found she is a scant 1/32 Cherokee. Now, the woman who claims to have created the “intellectual foundation” for Occupy Wall Street– notorious for its anti-foreclosure actions– is revealed to have made a small fortune flipping foreclosed homes in the 1990′s. The Boston Herald, which uncovered the findings, explains: Elizabeth Warren, who has railed against predatory banks and heartless foreclosures, took part in about a dozen Oklahoma real estate deals that netted her and her family hefty profits through maneuvers such as “flipping” properties, records show. A Herald review has found that the Democratic U.S. Senate candidate rapidly bought and sold homes herself, loaned money at high interest rates to relatives and purchased foreclosed properties at bargain prices. Land records from Warren’s native Oklahoma City show the Harvard professor was active in the often topsy-turvy real estate market in the 1990s, including: • Purchasing a foreclosed home at 2725 West Wilshire Boulevard from the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development for $61,000 in June 1993, then selling it in December 1994 for $95,000 — a 56 percent mark-up in just 18 months. • Buying a house at 200 NW 16th St. for $30,000 in August 1993, then flipping it for $145,000 — a 383 percent gain after just five months. • Lending one of her brothers money at 9.5 percent interest to buy a home at 1425 Classen Drive for $35,000 in August 2000. He sold the place three months later for $38,500 — a 10 percent gain in 75 days. • Providing her brother with financing to buy a $25,000 house at 4301 NW 16th St. in 1994. He sold the property four years later for $42,000, a 68 percent increase. • Giving her sister-in-law a mortgage in 1996 to buy a $31,000 home at 2621 NW 13th St. Three years later, the sister-in-law sold the place for $45,000 — a 45 percent boost in three years. And so it continues. Warren’s campaign issued a statement, saying: “Elizabeth and (her husband) Bruce are fortunate to be in a position where they can help their family. They have been able to help relatives buy their homes and her nephew — a contractor — fix up houses.” However, the evidence indicates that Elizabeth and Bruce weren’t so much lending money to family members, as going into business with them for profit. This is completely understandable– unless you have partially built a campaign around the evils of “predatory” banks and the individuals who exploit foreclosures. Warren’s campaign website reads: “We are in the midst of one of the greatest economic crises in our country’s history — a crisis that began one lousy mortgage at a time.” For this, Warren slams “a deregulated credit industry (that) squeezed families harder, hawking dangerous mortgages.” Despite her apparent willingness to take advantage of those “dangerous mortgages,” Warren won a resounding endorsement from Massachusetts Democrats Saturday to clinch the primary against the incumbent Scott Brown. www.theblaze.com/stories/harsh-foreclosure-critic-elizabeth-warren-reportedly-made-a-fortune-flipping-foreclosed-homes/
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Jun 3, 2012 22:28:29 GMT -6
For the record, I put little stock in anything published by an affiliate of "Real Clear Politics." They're worse than Fox Pseudo-News.
But even if all of this is true, Warren could easily be viewed as someone who's seen it all, and has decided it's all bad.
Some of the best reformers are the ones that did some of the worst misdeeds themselves.
And, if the article is to be taken at face value, then Warren is very familiar with the potential for "legal" miscreancy, because she has partaken in it herself.
The presumption that she flipped houses in the early & middle 90's (before the housing bubble actually began)--indicates she is MORE familiar with the subject than most--and has insight into exactly what has gone wrong with the system.
Though I wouldn't consider a house-flipping history in the early 90's a positive, I wouldn't consider it a major negative either. It occurred before all the fraud and Corporate-friendly legislative changes were made, and before there really was a problem in the housing industry.
Again, some of the best reformers are those who were previously on the inside.
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Post by jeffolie on Jul 26, 2012 14:37:10 GMT -6
Scott Brown ‘Let America Be America Again’ Ad Goes Viral The Web ad that Scott Brown’s campaign released his week criticizing his Democratic opponent in the Massachusetts Senate race, Elizabeth Warren, has gone viral. It denounces comments she made in 2011 that have recently resurfaced. The ad, titled “Let America be America,” features video of Warren, saying, “there is nobody in this country who got rich on his own.” The comment is similar to the remarks President Obama made at a campaign stop in Virginia this month that have resulted in a barrage of attacks from Republicans. The Brown campaign seized on that barrage with this two-minute and 30-second ad featuring footage of past presidents from both parties talking about free enterprise. And the ad appears to be getting buzz. It has received more than a quarter-million views since Monday morning, and is trending as the No. 1 spot on YouTube’s “News and Politics” category, according to a news release from the Brown campaign. People who have been watching the Massachusetts Senate race closely might be surprised to see that the ad features a clip from those much-talked-about Obama remarks from a campaign stop in Virginia earlier this month, where Obama said, in part, “If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.” A Republican running in a traditionally Democratic state, Brown has been careful so far not to heap criticism on Obama. But Brown has said he thinks the president got “bad advice” from Warren. ”People should know that professor Warren made her statements over a year ago, they’re almost verbatim,” Brown said in an interview on “Fox and Friends” earlier this week. “And the president got bad advice from professor Warren, certainly.” It remains to be seen whether high traffic will equal a jump in poll numbers for the Brown campaign. Polls have consistently shown the two candidates in a statistical tie for the past several months. abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/07/scott-brown-let-america-be-america-again-ad-goes-viral/
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Post by jeffolie on Jul 26, 2012 17:16:28 GMT -6
One should examine the evidence of stories told to one in childhood for there consistency with reality. How does one accept what one can not see? Well, most accept radio, TV, internet without empirical evidence in their youth without question. But, as one ages then some want evidence to back up and verify those unseen beliefs. History as told in schools goes without person verification as an example. But, insisting on verification for everything is impractical, unlikely to be convenient or even possible plus expensive. Taking belief on faith such as 'the full faith and credit of the United States' becomes an assumption that average Americans do not insist on verification. People take pride in being 'a person of faith' without insisting on empirical verification. Like Socrates, Warren should have questioned her childhood stories of American Indians ancestors when empiracal evidence showed the were lies. ------------------------------ "... Socrates believed that what the Oracle had said was a paradox, because he believed he possessed no wisdom whatsoever. He proceeded to test the riddle by approaching men considered wise by the people of Athens—statesmen, poets, and artisans—in order to refute the Oracle's pronouncement. Questioning them, however, Socrates concluded that, while each man thought he knew a great deal and was wise, in fact they knew very little and were not wise at all. Socrates realized that the Oracle was correct, in that while so-called wise men thought themselves wise and yet were not, he himself knew he was not wise at all, which, paradoxically, made him the wiser one since he was the only person aware of his own ignorance. Socrates' paradoxical wisdom made the prominent Athenians he publicly questioned look foolish, turning them against him and leading to accusations of wrongdoing ..."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates -------------------- ".... Rumsfeld's poems, bringing them to a wider public for the first time. The poems that follow are the exact words of the defense secretary, as taken from the official transcripts on the Defense Department Web site. The Unknown As we know, There are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know There are known unknowns. That is to say We know there are some things We do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, The ones we don't know We don't know. —Feb. 12, 2002, Department of Defense news briefing www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/low_concept/2003/04/the_poetry_of_dh_rumsfeld.html----------------------------------------------- Einstein gained a wide, international stature and reputation in his early adulthood from assisting with America's creation of the atomic bomb. Einstein questioned the unknown unknowns. Einstein developed all his theories before the age of 21 as 'thought problems' without insisting on having empirical evidence to create his 'thought problems'. For example, Einstein questioned the assumption that something unseen was as told to all children: time was the same. Humans can not see or directly percieve time. Einstein's Jewish tradition included a calendar with one of the 10 Commandments specifing the Sabbath as a devoted to rest, comtemplation and religion. The Jewish calendar was based and remains based on full moons marking 13 Jewish months in a year. Einstein questioned the validity of all time down to the smallest incriments then used as measured in seconds. He reasoned that humans assumption of time as uniformly distributed was wrong, that in certain situations time was different ... he was later proven correct long after his death with empirical evidence.
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Jul 28, 2012 0:37:35 GMT -6
That's exactly my point.
And it is even less practical when it's such an insignificant point as whether one is some small part Indian or not.
My wife thinks she might be part Indian, but can't really say for sure.
For all I know, I could be part Indian myself.
But neither my wife nor I care enough to research it.
Elizabeth Warren probably felt the same way.
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