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Post by redwolf on Feb 9, 2008 12:44:32 GMT -6
Answer 10 questions and find out which presidential candidate you should vote for in 2008: www.votechooser.com/
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Post by blueneck on Feb 9, 2008 13:12:46 GMT -6
Looks like Obama #1 and Paul #2 for me
Mittens and McCain tied for last
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Feb 10, 2008 4:17:16 GMT -6
The pollsters seem to have a pro-Obama slant.
They make a completely arbitrary distinction between Hillary's stating that she favors middle class tax cuts, and that Obama favors middle class tax cuts AND lower income tax cuts. This is based only on the fact that Obama makes the statement on his website, while Clinton does not. Hardly the makings of a valid or representative poll. It also draws a convenient, and arbitrary distinction between the difference between Hillary's Iraq War vote in the Senate, and Obama's meaningless state legislator vote when he opposed the Iraq War. To me, this distinction is meaningless.
Obama wasn't in the US Senate at the time, and he did not have a Federal constituency, nor did he have the same input (and misinformation) that Hillary had. Hillary's vote counted, Obama's did not.
Both Obama and Clinton still believe we should take another 1-2 years getting out of Iraq. Both have voted "yes" on Iraq war funding, in contrast to Paul's "no" votes. There's no difference whatsoever in Clinton & Obama's current positions on Iraq. Both show a lack of certitude about withdrawal, in contrast to Ron Paul who believes we should withdraw as soon as possible.
Despite the claim that both Clinton and Obama are said to "favor a path to legalization for illegal immigrants", there is a discernible difference between them on this issue. Hillary says "no" to driver's licenses for illegal immigrants, Obama says "yes." Obama denies that illegal immigrants suppress American wages or cost Americans jobs, Clinton acknowledges that illegal immigrants do suppress wages and do cost Americans jobs.
In my opinion, both Clinton and Obama weak on illegal immigration, but Obama is worse.
Reconsidering the issues in the poll, in light of the above-mentioned considerations, puts my vote at +7 for Clinton, +6 for Obama, and +5 for Paul. If I changed my vote on the environment, to allow private parties to sue polluters, that would change my vote to +6 for Clinton, +6 for Paul, and +5 for Obama.
I'm essentially neutral on the health care issue. Though I'd like to see some type of one-payer universal health care system, I strongly dislike both Hillary's and Obama's plans. Both are overambitious on what can actually be afforded, using current or projected revenues. Both Clinton and Obama are frighteningly ignorant on the real workings of Medicine, as evidenced by some of their outlandish suggestions on how to contain medical costs.
To accurately reflect my own views, I'd eliminate the question about national healthcare. Though I'm in favor of a competing national health insurance plan, I'm against anything as unworkable as Clinton's or Obama's plans.
(The current Medicare system costs taxpayers over $400 billion/year to cover roughly 45 million enrolles for part A and B alone. This does not include the patient's 20% co-pay, which would add another $100 billion if the government picked up the tab. And this still excludes the Medicare Prescription Drug plan. Adding in the Medicare Prescription Drug plan increases costs to over $450 billion (or over $550 billion if co-pays were eliminated) for those 45 million enrollees.
If 47 million uninsured Americans were given Medicare-type coverage, the cost would be somewhat lower, but still in the same ball park. Proposing a universal health care plan, and claiming it would cost $100-200 billion, most certainly is a "fairy tale." Claiming that $80 billion could be saved with electronic medical records is more than just a fairy tale, it's science fiction. )
It's interesting that these pollsters, like so many others, completely avoided a direct question on outsourcing and globalization. If they had asked such a question, and had based the response on the candidates' voting records (instead of campaign rhetoric), it would have added another vote for Ron Paul on my scorecard.
In this limited poll, my main disagreements with Clinton and Obama are on illegal immigration, but more so with Obama. My main disagreements with Paul are his opposition to abortion, and his support for cutting taxes on high income earners.
This reminds me of another distinction. Ron Paul is quite emphatic and steadfast on his positions, and stands his ground consistently on every one of them. Neither Clinton nor Obama can make that claim.
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Post by blueneck on Feb 10, 2008 7:09:03 GMT -6
I'm not so sure of an "Obama" bias, I just went back in and tried to make it pick Obama for me and it came up with Hillary McCain Paul based on what conventional wisdom seems to think Obama is about
I then went back and re-did my own vote changing some of the issues I was on the fence about like health care and abortion And it went Paul, Huckabee and Hillary (Hill and Huck tied)
At any rate, these polls while they may be fun, are certainly NOT scientific, and has this election season has shown the mainstream and "scientific" polling has been spectacularly wrong.
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Post by blueneck on Feb 10, 2008 12:02:54 GMT -6
Its important to note that Hillary was for drivers licenses before polling showed she should be against it. So iw ould call that bein "forgainst" it in typical Clitnon style.
Yes they certainly do. The closest they get to it is the "favorable trade agreements" question. This seems to be a pivotal question if you select reduced govt spending over more favorable tade agreements it will put the republicans on top and vice versa for dems. The best choice in this regard would be all of the above - which would put Paul ahead.
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Post by jaded on Feb 14, 2008 20:53:07 GMT -6
It appears from this questionnaire that I'm nearly a 100% Ron Paul supporter.
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Post by graybeard on Feb 15, 2008 0:18:39 GMT -6
I thought Phil Hendree had retired, but caught part of his show on Air America in SoCalif just a few minutes ago. He was "interviewing" a guy who had written a book, "The Bright Side of Rape. / Ron Paul ruined my life and I thank him for it."
The author was successful, middle class, married, etc., and in just four weeks getting involved with the Ron Paul campaign cost all his savings, his job and family. Callers were defending Ron Paul and blaming the author for causing his own troubles.
First time I heard Phil Hendree, I was taken in, too. He is a riot. The interviewees are Phil (I believe) in a disguised voice who tell the most outlandish stories that are so seriously told that you tend to believe there really are people that bizarre. The callers are real, making it a double hit.
I voted for Ron Paul, btw, but that's another story. Where's Gore or Lou Dobbs?
GB
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Feb 15, 2008 3:32:15 GMT -6
I thought Phil Hendree had retired, but caught part of his show on Air America in SoCalif just a few minutes ago. He was "interviewing" a guy who had written a book, "The Bright Side of Rape. / Ron Paul ruined my life and I thank him for it." The author was successful, middle class, married, etc., and in just four weeks getting involved with the Ron Paul campaign cost all his savings, his job and family. Callers were defending Ron Paul and blaming the author for causing his own troubles. First time I heard Phil Hendree, I was taken in, too. He is a riot. The interviewees are Phil (I believe) in a disguised voice who tell the most outlandish stories that are so seriously told that you tend to believe there really are people that bizarre. The callers are real, making it a double hit.... GB I heard the same story today, but I missed the end. The interviewee said he tried to get his money back from the Ron Paul campaign, but they said they'd get back to him. I was actually taking it seriously to start with, then I realized I'd heard Bill Hendrie's style before. And, in the past, he used to get a lot of irate callers who had taken the whole thing seriously. I wish I could have heard the callers. I'll bet it was hilarious.
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Post by redwolf on Mar 4, 2008 7:16:05 GMT -6
I got Obama (10/10). We'll see today if he will be the one on the ballot in November.
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