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Post by Ryan on Aug 5, 2008 23:57:56 GMT -6
We should start a thread here of all the "flip flops" Obama has done in such a short time. This gives him less credibility, and only reinforces the notion that he is an inexperience opportunist. I know one was offshore oil drilling. He was against it before he was for it. What else can others think of?? Public funds was another one.
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Aug 6, 2008 2:33:44 GMT -6
Public funding was the biggest Obama flip-flop so far. But he's been so vague about his positions on almost everything else, that it's really hard to label him a flip-flopper. It's hard to "flip-flop" when you've didn't have a position in the first place. You've gotta take an actual position before you can flip-flop from that position.
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Post by blueneck on Aug 6, 2008 4:11:25 GMT -6
If you want to talk flip flops - lets talk about the mother of all the flippers McCain-
major back flips on the environment, illegal immigration, oil drilling, torture, the religious right, Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy, Social Security
I could go on but you get the picture, There isn't a major issue of the day that McCain hasn't been on both sides of at one time or another. There is one issue he has stayed constant on - "free" trade his record is one of the biggest globalists and corporatists in the Senate
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Post by graybeard on Aug 6, 2008 4:13:40 GMT -6
Obama could have killed the argument over campaign funding by returning every donation in excess of $1,000 or so. His take in small donations has been phenomenal. A politician yielding his own desires in favor of public sentiment is a good thing. In this case, it's to drill. That's how it should be. It's not flipflopping, it's democracy, in case you had forgotten it over the last 8 years. Obama has basically endorsed Republican T. Boone Pickens' plan to get us off foreign oil, getting the jump on McSame, and putting both of them in an awkward position. What does McSame say now, "Me Too?" From Picken Plan weekly: "On Monday, Senator Barack Obama outlined his energy policy in a speech, mentioning T. Boone Pickens and the Pickens Plan in the process." ----- From www.PickensPlan.com Dallas, TX, August 4, 2008 – Below is that statement of T. Boone Pickens on U.S. Senator Barack Obama’s (D-IL) speech on U.S. national energy policy: “I’m strongly encouraged by Senator Obama’s speech on America’s energy future. Foreign oil is killing our economy and putting our nation at risk. “When I started this campaign my goal was to make this the biggest issue in the coming election and the top priority to be addressed in the first hundred days of the next administration. This issue is clearly moving up in the priority of political debate; Senator Obama’s statement is an indication that is what is indeed happening. “I will continue to push this as a priority for the rest of the year.” -------- Now, if we can just get Obama to yield on illegal immigration and outsourcing, the US might have a future. GB
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Aug 6, 2008 15:59:45 GMT -6
Now, if we can just get Obama to yield on illegal immigration and outsourcing, the US might have a future. GB Amen.
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Post by Ryan on Aug 7, 2008 0:41:55 GMT -6
Don't get me wrong, I want to vote for Obama. However, he keeps making it harder and harder for me to do so with his changing of positions. Also his not voting is another thing that irritates me. So he does this take talk out of both sides of his mouth? I don't know. However, allowing offshore oil drilling will at best allow the Chinese more oil for consumption(highest bidder gets it), while the environment falls into further ruin. If the quality of the oil was so good, oil companies years ago would have exploited it, coastal land owners be damned. I would for once just want Obama or McCain to address the rampant fraud on Wall-Street that one can write many novels about. I doubt either one has the guts to do so because they are both bought and paid for by these crooked Wall-street firms(Citigroup, Merril Lynch, JP Morgan, Wachovia, etc...) www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638Same with McCain... www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?id=N00006424&cycle2=2008&goButt2.x=11&goButt2.y=6&goButt2=Submit
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Aug 7, 2008 14:03:43 GMT -6
It sure looks like banks and investment brokers prefer Obama. He's getting more than twice as much as McCain from those sources.
Everything else being equal (which it is not), I'd rather vote for the guy that banks and investment brokers dislike. The financial industry has a virtual lock on our country's government, and the government will leave no stone unturned to bail them out.
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