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Post by agito on Jul 23, 2009 12:10:14 GMT -6
there's a meme developing on the left side of things to call anti-abortion advocates "birther(s)" .
It's a horrible oversimplification of a complex issue and probably will even put off more people than it wins over- but i'm sure someone will deem it successful and it will go on happening.
It still bugs me when i see it though.
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Post by agito on Jul 23, 2009 16:14:32 GMT -6
ah crap- i got that wrong- "birthers" are people obsessed with obama's birth.
It still troubles me when new labels are created though. it's evidence of groupthink taking place.
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Jul 24, 2009 4:34:05 GMT -6
ah crap- i got that wrong- "birthers" are people obsessed with obama's birth. It still troubles me when new labels are created though. it's evidence of groupthink taking place. It's a case of group labeling. Those that don't accept Obama's certificate of live birth as proof of his birth in the US are labeled as "nut-jobs" and "lunatics." I'm more troubled by the name-calling from the Obama camp when he is legitimately asked to produce an actual birth certificate, something he has failed to do. There's nothing lunatic-like about asking the highest member of our government to produce his actual birth certificate. I've personally been asked to produce a real birth certificate dozens of times in my life (Little League Baseball, California Medical License, employment, etc.) No one who requested my birth certificate was ever willing to accept an unsigned "Certificate of Live Birth" in place of a birth certificate. Obama needs to explain why he doesn't have a birth certificate, and his supporters need to stop claiming that he's already done so, when all he's produced is a certificate of live birth. I'm guessing Obama still meets natural born citizen requirements--by being born to an American mother. (But I don't know exactly how the law reads.)
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Post by agito on Aug 4, 2009 1:30:47 GMT -6
i'll admit it does trouble me too. But even if you lose your birth certificate- what do you have to go through to get a new copy? you go to the hall of records- the state says "yes you were born here" -verifies you are indeed that person- and you get a new certificate.
since the governor of hawaii has already vouched for him- he could produce a fresh copy... but then i think we know how people would react to it.
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Post by xtra on Aug 4, 2009 13:11:04 GMT -6
i'll admit it does trouble me too. But even if you lose your birth certificate- what do you have to go through to get a new copy? you go to the hall of records and since obama went to Havvad and is super duper smart even with the TelePrompter, I'm sure with some help of all these Czars and staff he can get his own birth certificate and show us little people.
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Post by graybeard on Aug 5, 2009 5:59:30 GMT -6
The Supreme Court stole the election from Al Gore; were you angry then? I wasn't, because I had no idea how evil and stupid the Shrub was.
What if Obama were born in the plane enroute to the US from Kenya? What then? What if he were born in Kenya? Would you have the Supreme Court nullify the election, and give it to McCain, who was born in Panama?
Would you rather have President Joe Biden, with Pelosi the VP?
This appears to be all about racial prejudice. Obama should be denounced for hiring the same Goldman Sachs thugs as Bu$h, but not for his less than aristocratic birth and upbringing, unlike the several prior Republican presidents.
GB
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Post by xtra on Aug 5, 2009 7:20:56 GMT -6
getting him out will cause the whole house to crumble.....dont matter the reason, any is as good to me.
I was in favor of bush being charged with 911, war crimes and torture so im an equal oppertunity patriot....
i want em all out
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Aug 5, 2009 12:11:48 GMT -6
O.K. There's a way to put this to rest, one way or the other. It's obvious now that Obama cannot or will not produce his original long-form certificate-of-live-birth, nor even a photostatic copy thereof. He would have by now if could (and if he wanted to do so.) So the only real question now is why he can't or won't produce the birth certificate. According to an article in a Hawaiin newspaper, the state of Hawaii does not release a copies of the original long-form certificate-of-live-birth to anyone for any reason. Now I do find this hard to believe myself. But if it's true, it would explain a lot of things. So someone needs to research Hawaiin law, and find out if this is true or not. I'm not going to do it myself, because I have more important things to do with my time. Furthermore, we all pretty much know that nothing is going to happen, even if it is finally determined that Obama was not born in the US. An exception will be made, the law will be changed, or all evidence proving it will be locked up or disallowed. Below is the link to the article referred to above in the Hawaiin newspaper Star Bulletin making the claim that Hawaii does not give out long-form certificates of live birth: www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html
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Post by waltc on Aug 5, 2009 21:46:08 GMT -6
ULC wrote:
Furthermore, we all pretty much know that nothing is going to happen, even if it is finally determined that Obama was not born in the US. An exception will be made, the law will be changed, or all evidence proving it will be locked up or disallowed.
Spot on summary on why its a waste of time. All it does is distract people from looking at Obama's collusion with Goldman-Sacks and Wall Street in general and loading the American people down with trillions of dollars of new debt.
Look in a just society Obama and the senior Democratic and GOP leadership(both in and out of office) ought to be serving time in prison for they've done to our country in just the last 10 months.
One last thing, "the birthers" ought to start sweating like bacon in a frying pan since they are now being egged on by liberals.
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Post by xtra on Aug 5, 2009 23:02:22 GMT -6
ULC wrote:
One last thing, "the birthers" ought to start sweating like bacon in a frying pan since they are now being egged on by liberals.
nawww you never let them see you sweat ;D and as far as the other obama issues, we spread that around too we multi-task but remember, we are not supposed to waste our time and money on this issue, Obama is the one who is supposed to provide evidence of legitimacy
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Post by redwolf on Aug 16, 2009 9:52:18 GMT -6
What gets me is how those damn liberals planted fake birth announcements in Hawaiian papers in 1961! They are crafty! I hope Lou Dobbs calls them out on this one!
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Post by waltc on Aug 16, 2009 10:06:05 GMT -6
Why should Obama produce his BC when instead he can goad a bunch of conspiracy buffs into a frenzy and associating them with the GOP and critics of his administration?
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Aug 16, 2009 18:47:21 GMT -6
Why should Obama produce his BC when instead he can goad a bunch of conspiracy buffs into a frenzy and associating them with the GOP and critics of his administration? Exactly. What a great way to distract from the abysmal job Obama is doing, by creating an alternate issue for his supporters to latch onto, and another opportunity for Obama supporters to label opponents as racists, bigots, and lunatics.
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