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Post by jeffolie on Sept 3, 2009 9:01:42 GMT -6
I feel revolution brewing.
As I showed in my thread "US REFUGEE CAMPS" there now exists a permanent 'the poor'. They live in tents and cars.
When very high inflation happens in the end of the financial world as we know it in 2012-13, then 'the poor' will become 'the lawless' and ungoverned.
I have not prepredicted the end of America but a hard line, run by the surviving 'the rich', government could easily become repressive and a police state reacting to 'the lawless'.
Obama could be another Jimmy Carter who was just as popular as Obama in the first 5 months yet became an unpopular donkey with the maliase.
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Post by jeffolie on Sept 3, 2009 9:36:50 GMT -6
Further....
The surviving 'the rich' run repressive government will prevent an actual revolution from taking hold.
In the Great Depression it was the revolution brewing that was called The Thunder On The Left by the historians. The government moved to Roosevelt and left of center to placate the brewing unrest. This time very high inflation may move the government to the right in a reaction against the left of center Obama's failed programs.
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Post by waltc on Sept 3, 2009 10:38:29 GMT -6
FDR indeed did stop a revolution from happening. Too bad the rich and conservative fucktards running things today don't get why FDR's social safety net needs to remains in place.
Why? So another Huey Long doesn't show up, mobilize people by the millions and start burning down the rich people's businesses and homes.
In regards to the U.S. moving right Obama has already moved the country farther right on economic policy than Bush ever did. If he moves it any further right he may just as well turn over his office to Goldman-Sacks.
The fact is all those lefties in Obama's administration are window dressing for the base and stupid republicans who think Obama is going to institute some form of European socialism.
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Post by judes on Sept 3, 2009 12:02:14 GMT -6
haahha well stated Walt. You have a keen way of stating things so aptly. I may have to borrow that word from you from time to time, haaha.
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Sept 3, 2009 13:36:46 GMT -6
I feel revolution brewing too.
Obama has completely abandoned the public, and now listens only to his new plutocratic friends in the Hamptons, in the health insurance industry, and on Wall Street
Regarding healthcare reform, Obama appears to have had a Marie Antoinette moment-- a "let 'em eat cake" moment. Despite the loud public outcry against abandoning the "public option," Obama still plans to drop it. The whimpers of the wealthy few have drowned out the roars of the many. Again.
The time to storm the Bastille is approaching.
In fact, it may already be here.
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Post by waltc on Sept 3, 2009 17:03:18 GMT -6
We need another Huey Long and the economy really needs to get a lot worse before we can have any sort of revolution.
Long terrified Washington and the ruling elite. They didn't even have a response to him until FDR came along and took some of his ideas and turned them into the New Deal.
And the economy is still good for most Americans. Protest now and all you will get from Joe Sixpack is a hateful glare. You have to wait until Joe Sixpack can't pay his beer tab and can't watch cable tv.
Then you can have a protest.
But what kind that will hurt the plutocratic SOBs in D.C.?
I like the one proposed by Larry Flynt.
I'm calling for a national strike, one designed to close the country down for a day. The intent? Real campaign-finance reform and strong restrictions on lobbying. Because nothing will change until we take corporate money out of politics. Nothing will improve until our politicians are once again answerable to their constituents, not the rich and powerful.
Let's set a date. No one goes to work. No one buys anything. And if that isn't effective -- if the politicians ignore us -- we do it again. And again. And again.
And also pull money out the banks, stocks, etc.
Do this and every major corporation will scream like a stuck hog. You can shut down Wall Street very easily this way.
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Sept 4, 2009 20:29:31 GMT -6
And also pull money out the banks, stocks, etc. Do this and every major corporation will scream like a stuck hog. You can shut down Wall Street very easily this way. Those are great ideas. And ones that could be done, and ones that would have a tremendous effect.
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Post by beatle on Sept 5, 2009 13:52:59 GMT -6
Well, revolutions or "movements" tend to have their own impetus. The French revolution gave the French the tyranny that followed. The populism of Germany gave rise to Hitler.
It depends on if they are done with knowledge or emotion. According to Robert Paxton, the world's foremost scholar on fascism, the U.S. is in stage three in the development of a fascist state.
The public has to be pretty clear on the goals and the means to implement them, or things go awry. Beliefs in health care "death committees" and Anti-Christ President's, as in my sister's church, aren't condusive to logical thinking.
That being said, the nation needs a lot of structural changes that a corporate dominated government seems incapable of implementing. 'Tis a dilemma.
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Post by waltc on Sept 5, 2009 18:52:44 GMT -6
The fact is as Beatie points out you don't want a full blown revolution per se. It won't end good for us. We'll either get stuck with a goosestepping Newt Gingrinch or Marxist thug like Chavez.
The problem is we don't have modern day Washingtons or Jeffersons to lead us. They may exist but I doubt most of us would recognize them considering that we've been conditioned for decades that leaders must act and look a certain way(look and talk like a used car dealer seems to be the desired template).
Nor does it help in this country that over the last 50 years anti-intellectualism has taken strong root across the nation and people who are smart are seen as a liability in politics as people are either scared or hate them. People don't want a smart person in office, instead they want some mental and moral pygmy they can identify with.
This is why we get crooks and degenerates like Franks, Rangel and a host of others re-elected every 2 years for life. Why we elect national embarrassments like Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Obama.
As for Obama's demonization most of it is GOP generated. The entire GOP agitprop apparatus is in over drive on this guy. Which I find amusing since he's just Bush III on most policies. Sure he's half-black with a Muslim background but he's just as much a tool and whore of Wall Street as any Republican is.
Sure the bugger has hard core leftists but they are castrated window dressing(for progressive consumption). The Plutocrats would never let them have control of the real levers of power(which reside in Treasury, Justice and Fed Res)
Lastly as to whether we're pre-fascistic. In a sense its irrelevant. The people are totally passive and the plutocrats control the legislative & judicial system and can write any laws they need to justify their rapacity. So in a way Fascism is not needed. But its not to say that the public will not be gas lighted and distracted so as not to notice who is stealing them blind and putting them in the poor house.
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Post by fredorbob on Sept 7, 2009 11:53:57 GMT -6
Further.... The surviving 'the rich' run repressive government will prevent an actual revolution from taking hold. In the Great Depression it was the revolution brewing that was called The Thunder On The Left by the historians. The government moved to Roosevelt and left of center to placate the brewing unrest. This time very high inflation may move the government to the right in a reaction against the left of center Obama's failed programs. God, are voters that stupid and short sighted. "OMG BUSH IS BAD VOTE DEMOCRAT" "OMG OBAMA IS BAD VOTE REPUBLICAN" Doesn't anyone else see the vicious circle?
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Post by fredorbob on Sept 7, 2009 11:55:35 GMT -6
FDR indeed did stop a revolution from happening. Too bad the rich and conservative fucktards running things today don't get why FDR's social safety net needs to remains in place. Why? So another Huey Long doesn't show up, mobilize people by the millions and start burning down the rich people's businesses and homes. In regards to the U.S. moving right Obama has already moved the country farther right on economic policy than Bush ever did. If he moves it any further right he may just as well turn over his office to Goldman-Sacks. The fact is all those lefties in Obama's administration are window dressing for the base and stupid republicans who think Obama is going to institute some form of European socialism. We wouldn't need a Social safety net if these free-trade/open-border fucktards weren't destroying the good paying jobs. The social safety net would be a moot point.
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Post by fredorbob on Sept 7, 2009 11:58:23 GMT -6
I feel revolution brewing too. Obama has completely abandoned the public, and now listens only to his new plutocratic friends in the Hamptons, in the health insurance industry, and on Wall Street Regarding healthcare reform, Obama appears to have had a Marie Antoinette moment-- a "let 'em eat cake" moment. Despite the loud public outcry against abandoning the "public option," Obama still plans to drop it. The whimpers of the wealthy few have drowned out the roars of the many. Again. The time to storm the Bastille is approaching. In fact, it may already be here. I knew Obama would be a free trader too. The Democratic Party has a 200 year history of pro-free trade and pro open borders. The Civil War was about tariffs, the Democrats didn't want tariffs so they actually started a very bloody Civil War for free trade and cheap foreign labor. Obama=Democrat. DUHHHHH DUUUUUUHHH
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Sept 7, 2009 13:26:47 GMT -6
God, are voters that stupid and short sighted. "OMG BUSH IS BAD VOTE DEMOCRAT" "OMG OBAMA IS BAD VOTE REPUBLICAN" Doesn't anyone else see the vicious circle? Exactly. Obama was known to be a "blank slate" almost 2 years before he was elected. People have projected any and every viewpoint onto Obama that they've wanted. But one conservative talk show host, in one of her rare moments of true insight, stated that " Obama has all the substance of cotton candy." On that one point, she was right on target. In fact, Obama appears to take great pride in his doctrine of taking both sides of every issue. He considers his spinelessness a plus. His contrived teleprompted speeches, are specifically designed to make no commitment whatsoever on any issue, in either direction. "Bringing people together" and "giving everyone a seat at the table" are not only lies to begin with, they're also the words of a cowardly spineless worm--one who has no underlying convictions or beliefs on anything, other than winning elections for public office. The only "leanings" Obama has shown are his favoritism of the rich and powerful, especially those in the financial fraud industry. I'm still registered with 1 of the 2 major political parties gangs, but that's only in case I try to run for office. But I'm certainly not following either party's political line. Both are run by the rich & for the rich. Both are hell-bent on who can be the most anti-populist. In aggregate, both are handmaidens of the Wall Street Cosa Nostra and the financial fraud industry.
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Post by beatle on Sept 7, 2009 15:55:00 GMT -6
Like Pontius Pilate, I wash my hands of the whole mess. I didn't vote for McCain or Obama....neither Tweedle Dee nor Tweedle Dum.
A difference being, Pilate had the power to have changed the course of history, I couldn't. Just another voice in the wilderness drowned out by a roar.
"Obama has all the substance of cotton candy." Yep. That's why I didn't vote for him.
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Post by waltc on Sept 7, 2009 20:52:17 GMT -6
Fredorbob wrote:
God, are voters that stupid and short sighted.
"OMG BUSH IS BAD VOTE DEMOCRAT"
"OMG OBAMA IS BAD VOTE REPUBLICAN"
Doesn't anyone else see the vicious circle?
Some do.
But its not a circle but a con-job that's been going on for decades by what amounts to, two organized crime families who swap places every 2-4 years to make it look like we have democracy.
Walter Karp in his book "Indispensable Enemies" laid this out decades ago that both parties actively collude with one another to gain power and distract the people from real reform and alternatives.
Furthermore all the conventional news outlets are a joke and nothing better than propaganda. So the people get zero in terms of whats really happening in politics or business. This helps keep people in the dark and as such be easily led around by the nose.
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Post by nailbender on Sept 7, 2009 22:09:02 GMT -6
There is only 1 party. It's the "Money Party".
The Dems and Reps are simply 2 different colors of the same paint.
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Sept 9, 2009 18:28:01 GMT -6
Furthermore all the conventional news outlets are a joke and nothing better than propaganda. So the people get zero in terms of whats really happening in politics or business. This helps keep people in the dark and as such be easily led around by the nose. That's one of the biggest problems--the propagandization of the entire news media. A close 2nd is the Corporate financing of elections, and the resultant unlimited campaign contributions and influence it gives to America's plutocrats and banksters.
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Post by pamelasmith on Sept 22, 2009 19:41:00 GMT -6
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