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Post by jeffolie on Jul 4, 2010 12:36:22 GMT -6
Obama controls the Department of Justice and thus who gets prosecuted or not. The banks are not prosecuted and are given tons of money by the government via various government/FED techniques. This is Italian styled fascism where the government supports corporations with money and immunity (above the law). Please consider Banks Financing Mexico Gangs Admitted in Wells Fargo Deal...there is much more to see including charges against bank of America, Western Union, American Express,....Wachovia and Wells Fargo will both get off the hook globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/ Obama will prosecute you With $40,000 Fine And Class D Felony for "...coming within 65 feet of any response vessel or booms, out on the water or on beaches....". Obama will prosecute for getting close to BP evidence. This is Italian styled fascism where the government supports corporations with money and immunity (above the law). ================================================================= BP plc And The Administration Replace First Amendment With $40,000 Fine And Class D Felony CNN's Anderson Cooper, one of the few people who apparently hasn't or isn't leaving the troubled news network (surely Ted Turner has learned by now from CNBC that his female anchors should wear transparent body suits, show belly button deep cleavage, and install a stripper pole or seventeen for those ever more elusive Nielsen points), reports some troubling developments out of New Orleans. "The coast guard today announced new rules keeping photographers, reporters and anyone else from coming within 65 feet of any response vessel or booms, out on the water or on beaches. In order to get closer you need to get direct permission from the coast guard captain of the Port of New Orleans. Shots of oil on beaches with booms - stay 65 feet away. Pictures of oil soaked booms useless laying in the water because they haven't been collected like they should. You can't get close enough to see that. And believe me, that is out there. But you only know that if you get close to it, and now you can't without permission. Violators could face a fine of $40,000 and class D felony charges. The coast guard tried to make the exclusion zone 300 feet before scaling it down to 65 feet." While Cooper's conclusion is spot on, "we are not the enemy here, those of us down here trying to accurately show what is happening down here, we are not the enemy. If we can't show what is happening, warts and all, no one will see what is happening, and that makes it very easy to hide failure and hide incompetence", it doesn't matter, and little by little, nothing else matters, except for what the administration, the Fed, and the megacorps think it is in America's best interest to be able to see, hear, read, do, and what assets they have, where they can invest... especially if all this is done in conjunction with maxing out yet another credit card to buy the latest and greatest weekly edition of the iPhone. www.zerohedge.com/article/bp-plc-and-administration-replace-first-amendment-40000-fine-and-class-d-felony
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Post by agito on Jul 5, 2010 0:31:33 GMT -6
65 feet is close enough to get a pic of a boom. of course, if the oil is everyfuckinwhere, I could see it being difficult to NOT be within 65 feet of oil
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Post by waltc on Jul 5, 2010 11:35:54 GMT -6
You know if Bush did this every slack jawed yellow dog and liberal would go on the war path against him. But since the law was enacted by the God-Man and politically correct Obama well... its just great. BTW the law already claimed it's first victim. Note: This shit is right out of Communist Russia and doesn't even elicit a peep out of the ACLU or any so-called civil libertarian group. Damn what a bunch of hypocrites. link: fieldnotes.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/07/04/4611161-photographer-detained-by-police-bp-employee-near-refineryA photographer taking pictures of a BP refinery in Texas was detained by a BP security official, local police and a man who said he was from the Department of Homeland Security, according to ProPublica, a non-profit news organization in the U.S.
The photographer, Lance Rosenfield, said he was confronted by the officials shortly after arriving in Texas City, Texas, to work on a story that is part of an ongoing collaboration between PBS and ProPublica.
Rosenfield was released after officials looked through the pictures he had taken and took down his date of birth, Social Security number and other personal information, the photographer said. The information was turned over to the BP security guard who said this was standard procedure, ProPublica quoted Rosenfield as saying.
Rosenfield, a Texas-based freelance photographer, said he was followed by a BP employee after taking a picture on a public road near the refinery, and then cornered by two police cars at a gas station. The officials told Rosenfield they had the right to look at the pictures taken near the refinery and if he did not comply he would be "taken in," the photographer said according to ProPublica.
BP gave ProPublica the following statement after the incident:
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Post by jeffolie on Jul 5, 2010 11:57:06 GMT -6
I would like to see this overturned.
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Post by huck on Jul 5, 2010 13:49:01 GMT -6
"Suspicious Activity Reporting Criteria for Infrastructure Owners and Operators Joint Department of Homeland Security (DHS) / Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) Memorandum August 3, 2004 ... DHS and FBI request that the owners and operators of the nation’s critical infrastructure/key resource facilities (see Appendix), provide reporting to the above offices on the following types of suspicious activities potentially indicative of pre-operational terrorist planning: ... Report any persons showing uncommon interest in critical infrastructure/key resource facilities, networks, or systems (e.g. photographing or videotaping assets). " www.awcnet.org/portal/StudioNew.asp?Mode=B1&WebID=1&UID=&MenuActionTypeID=80&MenuActionParm=116&OriginPage=/portal/StudioNew.asp&EDate=&ChannelLinkID=4647umm ... "August 3, 2004" .. bush did do it
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Post by waltc on Jul 5, 2010 20:55:34 GMT -6
No Obama did do it and in this instance to protect BP - you know one of the big companies that gave him piles of money.
For example if you are within 60 feet of the cleanup operation(and only the clean up operation)whether at sea or on land you can be arrested and fined. BP originally wanted the distance set at 300 feet but the DOJ said no. And if convicted you get a $40k fine and time in jail.
What this law is meant to do is stop workers from using their cell phone cameras when they catch BP breaking the law, which happens quite often - just ask the workers at the Texas Oil refinery.
Obama isn't big on whistle blowing.
Bottom line reporters are being pushed around by BP and the assholes in the Coast Guard ever since the break and it's gotten worse. Take pictures of the clean up workers and you get a BP in your face, go out at sea and take the wrong pictures and CG assholes who will arrest on the spot if you don't leave.
In regards to the incident in question, the reporter was over a mile away from the plant taking general pictures for the company he was contracted to. All the time he was followed by some BP rent-a-thug who BTW has authority to order local police around like lap dogs.
This doesn't even qualify as spying and the cops saw that from the beginning, the whole incident was escalated by BP for BP's benefit.
Lastly the conduct of Obama and the Democrats on this issue has been a epic disaster, he's been BP bitch and waterboy from the beginning and has let BP repeatedly lie to the American people about the true extent of the spill.
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Post by huck on Jul 5, 2010 23:26:52 GMT -6
"taking pictures of a BP refinery" "a man who said he was from the Department of Homeland Security" "industry practice that is required by federal law" "viewed by a representative of the Joint Terrorism Task Force" "actions did not pose a threat to public safety" fieldnotes.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/07/04/4611161-photographer-detained-by-police-bp-employee-near-refineryRed-herring! Who was prosecuted now? What about any mention of oil collection, containment, the coast guard or other maritime activities? I am not alone in being pissed about this rule either but its a whole different application of the law, one that has been going on for a long time and there are numerous court cases about. but alas i fear the courts may determine in the end no-one was hurt since most were never arrested , only detained, and such investigatory "reasonable suspicion" detention is already one of the powers granted to law enforcement. They have been doing this for years to people taking pictures of bridges, trains, and dams too. This is a whole different matter from coast guard enforcement of a "safety zone" rule "on the waters or on the beaches". And this WAS due to the small-bush's doing, not obamas. But im glad to see some of the ever-terrified police-state desiring regressives have finally caught on to what the republican fear campaign and its falsely described "patriot act" took from our rights, now if it only they werent living at least six years in the past. Why werent you making this kind of fuss back when this requirement first came out? Oh yea, partisan politics, must put party before country right? Its pretty clear to everybody but the rabid frothing right wing that this has nothing to do with the current oil spill rules. Making fools of yourself does not advance your argument ya know. The new rule is a COAST GUARD RULE, homeland security, the fbi, or terrorist task forces are not going to deal with coast guard rules. [edit: ok BP was involved, thats a gimme, are you THAT myopic?] And while ii think the new "safety zone rule" does have a bit of a smell it too has precedent in separation rules regarding maritime work zones near slow moving, pattern following or near stationary WORK ZONE vessels. It may stink, but it may also hold up.
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Jul 6, 2010 1:32:23 GMT -6
I've never heard or seen anything quite like this. This is pure police state stuff. Obama's the king--I mean President--for the time being. The blocking of media access IS under his control. He's the commander-in-chief of the Coast Guard as well. And he absolutely could end this 60-foot rule instantly, simply by issuing an executive order--something he's shown no reluctance to do, just like his corrupt predecessor.
This is the 1st time I've seen Anderson Cooper come out this strongly against something the Government was doing--and that includes under Bush Bush II.
Below is the 10 minute video.
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Post by waltc on Jul 7, 2010 21:20:24 GMT -6
Huck
But im glad to see some of the ever-terrified police-state desiring regressives have finally caught on to what the republican fear campaign and its falsely described "patriot act" took from our rights, now if it only they werent living at least six years in the past.
Well, it's not like your precious party with a super majority in Congress and owning the White House did anything about it. So much for change you can believe in. Mostly Obama whined about Bush, sniff...
That is what you get for supporting career criminals, liars and lunatics otherwise know as politicians.
With that said, I'm a populist. . I despise your party and the GOP and haven't associated with them for years. They are nothing but organized crime syndicates.
All they do is game the populace with bullshit wedge issues while they help the rich loot the country with the help of people like you.
I watched cheerleaders like you get orgasms over crooks whose sole accomplishment was selling out this country to Wall Street and foreign nationals for bribe money during the last 20 years.
Take your precious Democrats. Under Clinton they killed Glass-Stegall, passed NAFTA, MFN for China, the Commodity Futures Trading Act. All by Democrats with a little help from the GOP.
If you knew anything about the economy and Wall Street you would have disowned and vilified the Democrats for this. They basically threw the working and middle-class to the wolves for bribe money and sent millions of well paying jobs overseas. As well as set up the global economic disaster we have today.
And all Obama has done so far is nothing but carry out both Clinton's and Bush's economic and military agenda.
All this leads to what is going on in the Gulf and the order Obama gave the JD/DHS/Coast Guard to go after anyone taking pictures within '60+ feet of cleanup operations on land and on sea.
It's about keeping BP workers from filming anything of a illegal or unethical or inflammatory nature. Photogs don't have to worry with telephoto lenses, but guys with a camera phone do.
Put another way: Sea turtles on fire doesn't help Obama's image among the public at all.
Bottom line: Obama and BP don't want whistle blowers gathering evidence.
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Post by huck on Jul 7, 2010 23:31:13 GMT -6
Huck Well, it's not like your precious party with a super majority in Congress and owning the White House did anything about it. So much for change you can believe in. Mostly Obama whined about Bush, sniff... You just grow more delusional every day, and ruin your credibility even faster. For starters it would be very hard to place me as a member of the democratic party. And super majority can even be debated since they do not have a filibuster proof count or full control of the committees. but you dont seem to learn and just keep supporting their policies anyway dont you. Your parroting of party lines is a part of the proof of that. Kinda hard to believe with you regurgitating party rhetoric like you do. And it is hard to show you are a populist either, GOP agitator sounds like a more fitting description. I dont describe myself as a populist, for i feel that is a poorer position than being more of a centrist, i have often been blessed with being able to see both extreme sides as well as a solution closer to the middle of those. While well intentioned true populists tend advocate yet another extreme position from the right and left. Now there is nothing wrong with extreme viewpoints, and i even feel we need them to properly set the boundaries of the problem, but to me the greatest accomplishment of civilization is its ability to reach compromise, find a solution less draconian than the viewpoint from the extreme boundaries. To you i look left so i must be a democrat, to them my position is the the right and i must be a conservative, but few ever position me deep into the scared of the dark right wing. Doubt it. This error of yours is in the assumption that anyone that might disagree with you is like you and unable to think for themselves. It is your blind hatred of "them" that gives you away. Yes the GOP sold us all out recently, it is easy to show they will do anything to line their own pockets whenever the situation allows. It is harder to make the claim that the more liberal elements of politics do it as freely as the right wing, but it would be foolish to try to prove they never have either. The vast majority of the damage so far has been by the factions of the right. You could never paint me as cheerleading for any right or left wing party. I was even working at citi at the time and said that it was foolish to do. Yet the mindless right was rooting for it at the time, "less regulation, more profits", following the lead of "your cheerleaders". You again just exhibit the foolishness of your shaky positions as you vomit talking points at us like these. You have lost face again and all you can do now is try to change the subject at hand. So have you seen the rule?? its easy to find. It follows the form of numerous other notices to mariners regarding maritime hazards. I think your ilk just needed something to whine and try to scare others with about and jumped on this coastguardnews.com/coast-guard-establishes-20-meter-safety-zone-around-all-deepwater-horizon-protective-boom-operations/2010/06/30/Did you notice the word "Vessels"? Im sure to your twisted mind it is easy to make a case for a conspiracy, but in all reality as it stands it is written as a safety issue, and unless abused its likely to stand court challenges. Now if you have been paying attention you will notice this involves the coast guard, harbormasters, oil cleanup/containment and worker safety. Your issue that you labeled as "it's first victim." had none of those issues mentioned at all. That response was based on the police state concept put forward by the bush administration and its supporting base of scared rabbits. The "liberal ACLU" has been active in dealing with this issue already, many times in the half dozen years since the establishment of the regulation, but you seem to be too busy trying to self-orgasm by bashing obama to notice that yet either. Such inattention from the rabid right is just weakening their position, much as you keep devastating yours with mindless babble. The refinery photog issue has nothing to do with the new coast guard ruling, and "This shit is right out of Communist Russia and doesn't even elicit a peep out of the ACLU or any so-called civil libertarian group." is totally false since it is easy to find where the ACLU and other civil libertarian groups have raised a fuss about it, and you just showed what a hypocrite you are for not complaining about it then, but trying to just score political points with it now. As such: just another sign you are no more than a GOP shill. I dont give obama any get-out-of-jail free cards, but to try to blame his leadership for regulations put in place by bush and the GOP just exhibits how much of a fool you are. To also try to say that liberal watchdogs such as the ALCU have not already complained about it exhibits how little you know about the subject matter, even though it is easy to find and this issue has periodically made news for quite some time already. Back on the topic at hand again, and the relevance of the word "Vessels" and the absence of "photographer" or "journalist". These are the type of rules the coast guard and harbormasters are allowed to make, and they are considered to be doing their job when they do it. On the surface it reads as any of a number of prior navigation rules establishing safety zones around work or hazard areas. Yes it can also be misused, but unless it is misused i think this is a case of "much ado about nothing". IF and when misused i expect the aclu and other civic groups to make more of a fuss, but otherwise to me it seems as trivial an administrative rule as closing one side of a superhighway for a construction project or cleanup after a fire/accident. When they start using it to bust people being considerate and just taking pictures my impression will change, but if they use it to bust people running over the booms or getting in the way of cleanup vessels im just going to go "hell yea"! YES it kinda stinks, but so does low-tide, and the gulf is going to stink for years. They did not arrest a photog in TX using this ruling, even using the bush/dhs rule very few have been arrested, and in general the "investigative detention" has been minor. And the arrests have been because the guys got belligerant, not for the act of taking pictures. In a way thats the problem the aclu has faced in protesting this regulation, in general for a bush/communist/police-state it hasnt been abused, they come, they check you out, the facility makes a report (maybe why they got the name and address), and you and your photographs get to go home. Overall with these type of rules the coast guard is fair and not abusive. Until that changes they deserve the benefit of our doubt, but there is no reason we cant pay attention too. "democrat", that was an insult . Probably as mean as labeling you a christian.
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