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Post by jacquelope on Mar 19, 2011 8:46:38 GMT -6
do we take action?
Has anyone seen the September 28 WSJ poll on outsourcing? You guys are FAR from alone out there. About EIGHTY SIX PERCENT of Americans agree with you.
We've got to start finding ways to reach them.
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Post by fredorbob on Mar 19, 2011 16:12:46 GMT -6
New political party.
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Post by jacquelope on Mar 19, 2011 18:21:22 GMT -6
Until then we need to start mass calling our reps and demonstrate like the Union folks in Wisconsin.
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Mar 19, 2011 18:23:49 GMT -6
do we take action? Has anyone seen the September 28 WSJ poll on outsourcing? You guys are FAR from alone out there. About EIGHTY SIX PERCENT of Americans agree with you. We've got to start finding ways to reach them. Do an Egypt-like protest/demonstration/riot at the ports of entry. Keep the ships from China from unloading at the ports of Long Beach/Los Angeles. Get the longshoreman to stop unloading Chinese imports. Better still, have a real "tea party" and get 'em to dump Chinese imports into the ocean. Politicians certainly aren't listening to the words of their constituents. Maybe they'll pay more attention to actions.
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Post by jacquelope on Mar 19, 2011 22:10:49 GMT -6
do we take action? Has anyone seen the September 28 WSJ poll on outsourcing? You guys are FAR from alone out there. About EIGHTY SIX PERCENT of Americans agree with you. We've got to start finding ways to reach them. Do an Egypt-like protest/demonstration/riot at the ports of entry. Keep the ships from China from unloading at the ports of Long Beach/Los Angeles. Get the longshoreman to stop unloading Chinese imports. Better still, have a real "tea party" and get 'em to dump Chinese imports into the ocean. Politicians certainly aren't listening to the words of their constituents. Maybe they'll pay more attention to actions. Oh, hell. How do we organize this? I'll be there with bells on. Or however the statement goes. I'm tired of complaining. I'm tired of the asshats on other forums who won't listen to reason about this. (StraightDope.com, *ahem*) I'm ready to help out in showing the world that America is tired of this and we're willing to fight back. Who do we need to network with?
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Mar 20, 2011 1:19:53 GMT -6
Who do we need to network with? The AFL-CIO and unions. Teamsters and longshoreman unions (if there are any left.) There are a lot of engineers and IT workers who've lost jobs due to outsourcing in California and Washington. A lot of them are unemployed at present and would likely be available for something like this. Teacher layoffs have been massive. And if they're still unemployed, they're also available. Of course you'll need to convince them that job loss due to outsourcing suppresses wages in ALL industries, because it causes more American workers to have to compete for a smaller number of jobs. And employment is somewhat fungible, so declining employment in one industry will increase the supply of workers for other industries to some extent. Thus all workers have an interest in making sure that other workers don't lose jobs. With unemployment as high as it is--including all of those "discouraged" workers who allegedly quit looking for jobs--there should be a good-sized pool of non-employed workers available to participate. Try to enlist a well-known populist commentator--like Dylan Ratigan--to support and advocate for the cause. (In case you haven't listened to Dylan Ratigan, he makes the point almost daily on his show that we are losing jobs to outsourcing and that all of our investment capital is going overseas to build factories in China.) Be prepared, however, for this kind of action is not simply a "peaceful" protest. It's an active, hands-on action that could well lead to the kind of violence that unions have had to endure of the previous century. This is no place for namby-pamby, Obamanesque, "let's compromise" B.S. This is a place for Jimmy Hoffa-type "affirmative action."
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Post by jacquelope on Mar 20, 2011 3:00:39 GMT -6
Who do we need to network with? The AFL-CIO and unions. Teamsters and longshoreman unions (if there are any left.) First we start with protesting at the docks. If we can get the media to pay attention, which is a tough task, then we can probably get the longshoremen to *ahem* help out
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Post by waltc on Mar 20, 2011 12:21:20 GMT -6
You blockade the Long Beach port and every CEO of every big box chain(Wal Mart, Lowes, Home Depot, Target, Best Buy, Apple,etc) will be calling Obama on the phone along with Mayor Tony of Los Angeles and ripping them a set of new assholes.
Guess what happens next? They in turn chew out, threaten the LAPD chief, Napolitano learns what a real ass reaming is. And they unleash their goons with orders to make examples out of the protesters. I'm sure DHS will brand them troublemakers and "terrorists" as well.
Also the MSM will taking orders from Wall Street to show the protesters in the worst possible light. Historically the MSM has never given anti-globalists a fare hearing or even let them speak.
The protesters better be prepared to get beaten and some killed by authorities. They better also have boat loads of video cameras to tape the police beatings and possible shootings. So better to sue and embarrass authorities later on.
With some political savvy they can turn the injured and killed into political martyrs and create a new political movement.
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Post by fredorbob on Mar 20, 2011 15:05:19 GMT -6
Until then we need to start mass calling our reps and demonstrate like the Union folks in Wisconsin. Demonstrating is for chumps and street performers.
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Post by jacquelope on Mar 20, 2011 15:14:18 GMT -6
Waltc: hey, that idea could work. Also: Until then we need to start mass calling our reps and demonstrate like the Union folks in Wisconsin. Demonstrating is for chumps and street performers. True, for the most part. But those guys in Wisconsin are hardly chumps and street performers. They've launched one hell of a movement. It's all about numbers, visibility and location, location, location. A massive demonstration that even threatens to block the Long Beach docks will be impossible for the MSM to ignore. An outright blockade in that area could totally paralyze the WORLD: merely PROTESTING in that area, with a sufficient number of people, will scare the holy bejeezus out of the entire planet. The. Entire. Planet.
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Post by graybeard on Mar 20, 2011 15:22:52 GMT -6
Some martial arts work by using the opponent's own strength against him. Imagine something like if there were credible rumors of hidden dangerous goods about to arrive at our ports.
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Post by jacquelope on Mar 20, 2011 19:34:44 GMT -6
Some martial arts work by using the opponent's own strength against him. Imagine something like if there were credible rumors of hidden dangerous goods about to arrive at our ports. There already are hidden dangerous goods... Chinese poisonous crap. Hey unlawflcombatnt... A blockade of the ports is starting to sound outright desirable... what website can the longshoremen be found at?
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Post by waltc on Mar 21, 2011 0:20:45 GMT -6
New political party is about the only way short of armed rebellion.
Blockading Long Beach harbor will be another variant of John Brown's last stand. Lots of people shot dead by the LAPD and FBI agents.
Most people have zero idea how vindictive the Feds can be should you get on their bad side.
The MSM will portray the protesters as "xenophobics", "home grown economic terrorists", etc. Exspurts will be trotted out to promote free trade, etc.
Unions will turn against the protesters, their so-called friends in the media will disown them, etc. These people know who signs their pay checks and it isn't joe factory worker.
It's organizers will be harassed and framed for crimes they didn't commit, etc.
Politically it will give both parties a excuse to acquire even more police state powers, etc.
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Mar 21, 2011 0:26:28 GMT -6
Some martial arts work by using the opponent's own strength against him. Imagine something like if there were credible rumors of hidden dangerous goods about to arrive at our ports. There already are hidden dangerous goods... Chinese poisonous crap. Hey unlawflcombatnt... A blockade of the ports is starting to sound outright desirable... what website can the longshoremen be found at? Here's my 1st link: International Longshoreman and Warehouse Unionwww.ilwu.org/
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Mar 21, 2011 0:39:53 GMT -6
New political party is about the only way short of armed rebellion. Blockading Long Beach harbor will be another variant of John Brown's last stand. Lots of people shot dead by the LAPD and FBI agents. Most people have zero idea how vindictive the Feds can be should you get on their bad side. I, for one, am fully aware of how vindictive the Feds and the US Justice Dept. are. I've been the victim of their unwarranted and wrongful prosecution--including being indicted and tried on completely fabricated charges. Fortunately, I was one of those rare 5% who actually beat Federal charges after being indicted. (95% of those indicted on Federal charges are convicted or plead guilty.)
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Post by jacquelope on Mar 21, 2011 12:28:28 GMT -6
New political party is about the only way short of armed rebellion. Blockading Long Beach harbor will be another variant of John Brown's last stand. Lots of people shot dead by the LAPD and FBI agents. Most people have zero idea how vindictive the Feds can be should you get on their bad side. I, for one, am fully aware of how vindictive the Feds and the US Justice Dept. are. I've been the victim of their unwarranted and wrongful prosecution--including being indicted and tried on completely fabricated charges. Fortunately, I was one of those rare 5% who actually beat Federal charges after being indicted. (95% of those indicted on Federal charges are convicted or plead guilty.) Congratulations. How did you beat them?
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