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Post by unlawflcombatnt on May 1, 2011 21:24:53 GMT -6
The Great One has preempted network TV at 10:30 EDT to score political points by announcing that Osama bin Laden has been killed.
If this means that we're immediately withdrawing from Afghanistan--since our original reason for going there was to capture and/or kill bin Laden--that's fantastic.
But if this "emergency" announcement is only to score "emergency" political points for the re-election campaign, then the Great One has become an even bigger slime ball than he already was.
The latter is what I suspect the case will be.
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Post by waltc on May 1, 2011 21:55:56 GMT -6
It was good he was put down.
But we're not leaving Afghanistan or Iraq for many decades to come, if ever.
IMO we knew where OBL was for years - he was a sick man - on dialysis, so his range of movement was limited. He needed to be seen by a nephrologist, probably a cardiologist as well, needed dialysis nurse, needed twice monthly blood panels done, EPO injections, etc. It would have left a trail
Or maybe he was using a Iphone and it ratted him out.
Will his demise make a difference? Doubtful. OBL been irrelevant for years. The Muslim Brotherhood, Hezbollah and other groups have now taken his place.
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Post by graybeard on May 1, 2011 23:38:04 GMT -6
About four years ago, Christiane Amanpour on CNN speculated that bin Laden was not living in a cave, but in a nice villa somewhere. I figured he was in Mecca, where he would be near untouchable.
Big clue: $Million mansion with no phone or internet service, and heavy security.
Bu$h was such a dick for giving up the chase as soon as bin Laden slipped out of Afghan.
Obama deserves the credit. Now, if he will only roll back the unpatriot act and all its tentacles.
GB
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Post by waltc on May 2, 2011 11:36:39 GMT -6
I doubt we'll ever see the Patriot Act rolled back anymore than the TSA not behaving like a bunch of perverts.
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Post by graybeard on May 2, 2011 12:08:50 GMT -6
Dec. 2000: Confirmed that bin Laden was behind the Sept attack on the USS Cole. Clinton was lame duck, and Bu$h didn't care.
June 2001: Warnings on aviation sites of imminent attack on airliners in 3rd week.
Aug 2001: Vacationing Bu$h warned, and replied to CIA briefers: "You've covered your asses; now go home."
Sept 2001: Bu$h takes a detour after Texas vacation to Florida until 9-11.
Dec. 2001: US forces ordered to let locals capture bin Laden fleeing Bora Bora.
Mar. 13, 2002: Bu$h: "I don't know where he is. I really don't think much about him anymore."
May 2003: "Mission Accomplished." But it's not al Qaeda that was invaded.
~Feb 2004: CIA group focused on finding bin Laden is disbanded.
~Mar 2007: 20th hijacker, and others, quietly released from Gitmo.
~Sep 2007: Christiane Amanpour, on CNN al Qaeda special, believes bin Laden is not hiding in a cave, but living in a nice villa.
Jan 2009: Obama orders CIA to make getting bin Laden top priority.
GB
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Post by graybeard on May 2, 2011 15:11:46 GMT -6
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Post by waltc on May 2, 2011 19:57:13 GMT -6
And people wonder why I openly despise party hacks/buffoons on both sides....
Still, it's nice to see you support a illegal occupation of Iraq, a dead end war in Afghanistan AND the illegal war against Libya. After all it's just poor white guys and brown skinned people getting whacked.
And why don't you ask your dear leader what's it like okaying a assassination against Gaddahi and end up killing kids?
Or maybe how Oblowme supported the revolution in Egypt that has led to even worse people getting in charge and butchering Christians as their first order of business. Funny how your man is silent on that.
Morality and ethics aren't strong points among liberals.
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Post by graybeard on May 3, 2011 0:21:45 GMT -6
The supposed hunt for bin Laden was the Bu$h/Cheney excuse for invading Iraq.
Obama was advised by Brennan to bomb bin Laden, like NATO just did to Kadaffy comm center. NATO killed the innocents. President Obama took the riskier route with greater rewards by putting boots in the fight against bin Laden. They reportedly gathered vital intelligence, as well as minimizing collateral deaths.
President Obama is an idiot or a slave to Wall Street, when it comes to economics, but a real leader.
It seemed like bin Laden had been around forever, and would die of old age. I didn't appreciate what a big deal his killing would be.
GB
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Post by graybeard on May 3, 2011 11:29:46 GMT -6
Revised from above:
Dec. 2000: Confirmed that bin Laden was behind the Sept attack on the USS Cole. Clinton was lame duck, and Bu$h was wrapped up in renewing Star Wars.
June 2001: Warnings on aviation sites of imminent attack on airliners in 3rd week.
Aug 2001: Vacationing Bu$h warned, and replied to CIA briefers: "You've covered your asses; now go home."
Sept 2001: Bu$h takes a detour after Texas vacation to Florida until 9-11.
Dec. 2001: US forces ordered to let locals capture bin Laden fleeing Bora Bora.
Mar. 13, 2002: Bu$h: "I don't know where he is. I really don't think much about him anymore."
May 2003: "Mission Accomplished." But it's not al Qaeda that was invaded.
2005: CIA group focused on finding bin Laden is disbanded.
2005: Villa built for bin Laden in Abbott-obad.
~Mar 2007: 20th hijacker, and others, quietly released from Gitmo.
~Sep 2007: Christiane Amanpour, on CNN al Qaeda special, believes bin Laden is not hiding in a cave, but living in a nice villa.
Jan 2009: Obama orders CIA to make getting bin Laden top priority, as promised in campaign and presidential debate.
GB
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Post by nomad943 on May 3, 2011 19:24:36 GMT -6
Chalk me up in the column that beleives this boogey man was actually killed in late 2001- early 2002. Of course that's not to say that the warm waters of the arabian sea wont be able to revive his rotting corpse, enabling the menace to swim ashore in Libya where he will need to be hunted down and killed again.
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Post by waltc on May 3, 2011 21:18:19 GMT -6
Wow, so it's "Blame it on Busch" time, what a cop out.
You ever hear of personal responsibility? Well your leader has none of that. Remember the buck stops with him, he approves or denies. NOT Brennan, Powers, the female Basilik in the SD, or even Panetta.
Yeah I know it's foreign concept to many on the Left, but it's real.
He's ok with a illegal occupation of Iraq, a illegal war against Libya, kept the war in Afghanistan going.
Leader? He doesn't know the word. He didn't carry out shit, he never stood for anything in his life except what others told him to do. The real leaders are bunch of career military men in the special ops community did all the work, these men sacrificed more than your skanky community leader will ever comprehend or care about.
They did all the heavy lifting. Those clowns in the WH just took credit for the hit, especially Obama who couldn't stop talking about it.
He should be ashamed of himself. And he wonders why men in the military despise him.
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Post by graybeard on May 4, 2011 0:26:26 GMT -6
How many were charged with neglect for 9-11? Nobody was even fired, except Richard Clarke, the only one man enough to apologize.
How many were charged with treason for the outing of Valerie Plame?
How many were charged with illegal torture?
How many were charged for illegal spying?
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Post by graybeard on May 4, 2011 0:31:16 GMT -6
from Wiki: The Bin Laden Issue Station (1996–2005) was a unit of the Central Intelligence Agency dedicated to tracking Osama bin Laden. Mazzetti, Mark (July 4, 2006). "C.I.A. Closes Unit Focused on Capture of bin Laden.". New York Times. www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/washington/04intel.html. Retrieved 2007-08- 21. "The Central Intelligence Agency has closed a unit that for a decade had the mission of hunting Osama bin Laden and his top lieutenants, intelligence officials confirmed Monday. The unit, known as Alec Station, was disbanded late last year and its analysts reassigned within the C.I.A. Counterterrorist Center, the officials said."
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Post by graybeard on May 4, 2011 7:19:27 GMT -6
Updated info from my prior post:
2005: Villa built for bin Laden in Abbott-obad.
Late 2005: CIA group focused on finding bin Laden is disbanded. (NYT above)
2006, Sep 15, Bill Maher's "Real Time" Christiane Amanpour states that bin Laden is not living in a cave, but in a nice villa.
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on May 8, 2011 10:00:13 GMT -6
Below is an interesting piece on the killing of Osama bin Laden written by Paul Craig Roberts. from OpEdNews.com The Agendas Behind the Bin Laden News EventWed, May 4, 2011 by Paul Craig Roberts The US government's bin Laden story was so poorly crafted that it did not last 48 hours before being fundamentally altered. Indeed, the new story put out on Tuesday by White House press secretary Jay Carney bears little resemblance to the original Sunday evening story. The fierce firefight did not occur. Osama bin Laden did not hide behind a woman. Indeed, bin Laden, Carney said, "was not armed."
The firefight story was instantly suspicious as not a single SEAL got a scratch, despite being up against al Qaeda, described by former Pentagon chief Donald Rumsfeld as "the most dangerous, best-trained, vicious killers on the face of the earth."
Every original story detail has been changed. It wasn't bin Laden's wife who was murdered by the Navy SEALs, but the wife of an aide. It wasn't bin Laden's son, Khalid, who was murdered by the Navy SEALs, but son Hamza.
Carney blamed the changed story on "the fog of war." But there was no firefight, so where did the "fog of war" come from?
The White House has also had to abandon the story that President Obama and his national security team watched tensely as events unfolded in real time (despite the White House having released photos of the team watching tensely), with the operation conveyed into the White House by cameras on the SEALs helmets. If Obama was watching the event as it happened, he would have noticed, one would hope, that there was no firefight and, thus, would not have told the public that bin Laden was killed in a firefight. Another reason the story had to be abandoned is that if the event was captured on video, every news service in the world would be asking for the video, but if the event was orchestrated theater, there would be no video.
No explanation has been provided for why an unarmed bin Laden, in the absence of a firefight, was murdered by the SEALs with a shot to the head. For those who believe the government's story that "we got bin Laden," the operation can only appear as the most botched operation in history. What kind of incompetence does it require to senselessly and needlessly kill the most valuable intelligence asset on the planet?
According to the US government, the terrorist movements of the world operated through bin Laden, "the mastermind." Thanks to a trigger-happy stupid SEAL, a bullet destroyed the most valuable terrorist information on the planet. Perhaps the SEAL was thinking that he could put a notch on his gun and brag for the rest of his life about being the macho tough guy who killed Osama bin Laden, the most dangerous man on the planet, who outwitted the US and its European and Israeli allies and inflicted humiliation on the "world's only superpower" on 9/11.
When such a foundational story as the demise of bin Laden cannot last 48 hours without acknowledged "discrepancies" that require fundamental alternations to the story, there are grounds for suspicion in addition to the suspicions arising from the absence of a dead body, from the absence of any evidence that bin Laden was killed in the raid or that a raid even took place. The entire episode could just be another event like the August 4, 1964, Gulf of Tonkin event that never happened but succeeded in launching open warfare against North Vietnam at a huge cost to Americans and Vietnamese and enormous profits to the military/security complex.
There is no doubt that the US is sufficiently incompetent to have needlessly killed bin Laden instead of capturing him. But who can believe that the US would quickly dispose of the evidence that bin Laden had been terminated? The government's story is not believable that the government dumped the proof of its success into the ocean, but has some photos that might be released, someday.
As one reader put it in an email to me:
"What is really alarming is the increasingly arrogant sloppiness of these lies, as though the government has become so profoundly confident of their ability to deceive people that they make virtually no effort to even appear credible."
Governments have known from the beginning of time that they can always deceive citizens and subjects by playing the patriot card. "Remember the Maine," the "Gulf of Tonkin," "weapons of mass destruction," "the Reichstag fire" -- the staged events and bogus evidence are endless. If Americans knew any history, they would not be so gullible.
The real question before us is: What agenda or agendas is the "death of bin Laden" designed to further?
There are many answers to this question. Many have noticed that Obama was facing re-election with poor approval ratings. Is anyone surprised that the New York Times/CBS Poll finds a strong rise in Obama's poll numbers after the bin Laden raid? As the New York Times reported, "the glow of national pride" rose "above partisan politics, as support for the president rose significantly among both Republicans and Independents. In all, 57 percent said they now approved of the president's job performance, up from 46 percent."
In Washington-think, a 24-percent rise in approval rating justifies a staged event.
Another possibility is that Obama realized that the the budget deficit and the dollar's rescue from collapse require the end of the expensive Afghan war and occupation and spillover war into Pakistan. As the purpose of the war was to get bin Laden, success in this objective allows the US to withdraw without loss of face, thus making it possible to reduce the US budget deficit by several hundred billion dollars annually -- an easy way to have a major spending cut.
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If this is the agenda, then more power to it. However, if this was Obama's agenda, the military/security complex has quickly moved against it. CIA director Leon Panetta opened the door to false-flag attacks to keep the war going by declaring that al Qaeda would avenge bin Laden's killing. Secretary of State Clinton declared that success in killing bin Laden justified more war and more success. Homeland Security declared that the killing of bin Laden would motivate "homegrown violent extremists" into making terrorist attacks. "Homegrown violent extremists" is an undefined term, but this newly created bogyman seems to include environmentalists and war protesters. Like "suspect," the term will include anyone the government wants to pick up.
Various parts of the government quickly seized on the success in killing bin Laden to defend and advance their own agendas, such as torture. Americans were told that bin Laden was found as a result of information gleaned from torturing detainees held in Eastern European CIA secret prisons years ago.
This listing of possible agendas and add-on agendas is far from complete, but for those capable of skepticism and independent thought, it can serve as a starting point. The agendas behind the theater will reveal themselves as time goes on. All you have to do is to pay attention and to realize that most of what you hear from the mainstream media is designed to advance the agendas."
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Post by graybeard on May 8, 2011 11:24:12 GMT -6
Staged event, including the tail of a formerly unknown stealth helicopter?
I thought PC Roberts was better than that.
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Post by graybeard on May 10, 2011 7:16:51 GMT -6
US military does not invade another nation without permission from the top. US military does not perform covert actions without authority from above. The SEALS did an outstanding job of following orders to kill or capture. The Commander in Chief gave the order. President Obama put 25 guys' lives on the line in this operation, with the potential to save hundreds or thousands of American lives in the future. . He risked his presidency on this operation. . Good, even lucky, call.
Nine of the twelve interviewees on the talking head shows yesterday morning were Has Beens from the last administration, who failed to even hunt seriously for bin Laden. . So much for Mainstream Media.
Cheney claimed that waterboarding of KSM in 2003 led to bin Laden. EIGHT YEARS LATER? BS!
A book by interrogation specialist Mathew Alexander, titled, "How to Break a Terrorist: The US Interrogators Who Used Brains, Not Brutality, to Take Down the Deadliest Man in Iraq" cites torture of "detainees" and prisons like Abu Ghraib for the deaths of hundreds or thousands of American military at the hands of al Qaeda in Iraq. . Our torture and prisons back then were the greatest recruiting tools for al Qaeda. . It's on wiki.
You all should have watched 60 Minutes Sunday night.
If you believe that President Obama deserves no credit for the kill/capture of bin Laden, then you also have to believe bin Laden was not to blame for 9-11. . That means the ten years, 5,000 US military lives and $3 Trillion to get him was a total waste of time, lives and money. . . Be consistent.
This was the greatest death since Hitler.
GB
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Post by mdub on May 16, 2011 23:45:17 GMT -6
GB, Do you have any proof that they actually killed him, other than the claims of an administration that has lied to us about everything else? They can't even get their story straight. First he was armed with and Ak and there was a firefight, then he was unarmed and there was no firefight. First he used his wife as a shield, then he didn't. The last story I read is that they took him outside and shot him. Then, they quickly disposed of the body at sea, in accordance with Muslim law or tradition. This is nonsense! Muslims require the body to be washed and buried with the head facing Mecca. Dumping the body into the water is not considered a burial at all. And why is the US military showing that much respect to the man who is allegedly responsible for killing 3000 Americans? We didn't do this for Sadam and his sons, nor do we do this for the innocent civilians we routinely kill with drones. Then there is the ever changing story about the WH photo of them watching the raid. The next day, Leon Panetta said that the Seals had their video off, so there was no video and the photo must have been staged. Then, he reversed himself a few days ago and said that the video was on. They put out a photo of him dead, which was proven to be a hoax, then backpeddaled and said they never released it, someone else did. They put out videos claiming they were from 2010, which were released in 2007, and were even older than that. At least the Bush admin would tell one lie and stick with it. There were also reports that I was reading for years that said he suffered from Marfan's syndrome and was on dialiys for failing kidneys while being treated at a US hospital in Dubai ten years ago. www.infowars.com/top-us-government-insider-bin-laden-died-in-2001-911-a-false-flag/
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Post by graybeard on May 17, 2011 0:39:18 GMT -6
That one star general in the room? He was ex-USAF Special Ops helo pilot. I know a guy who knew him back when. You don't stage this.
And you believe 9-11 was staged by Cheney...
CNN had a good hour on it on Saturday. "Inside the Mission: ......"
GB It was also reported he had only kidney stones.
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Post by mdub on May 23, 2011 0:40:14 GMT -6
The 1996 Telecommunications Act destroyed what was left of independent media and consolidated it into several major outlets. Today the MSM exists as a gov't propaganda organ with the exception of Andrew Napolitano and Lou Dobbs.
I didn't watch the CNN report (I'm sure the CNN report never brought up any of the points I made in my previous post), but I did watch one several days ago on the Discovery Channel. It's story conflicted with gov't reports I read, which conflicted with earlier gov't reports I read. 3 weeks later, they still can't get their story straight. At least the Bush Admin put some effort into deceiving the public by producing an NIE in 2002 stating Iraq was enriching uranium.
I believe there was a mission, but they were probably targeting someone else. None of the witnesses I saw interviewed said Bin Laden ever lived there. One said he saw a US helicopter go up in flames and later the bodies were recovered. Maybe this explains why there are no SEALS to award medals to.
This administration are the same pathological liars as the previous one, but lack the intelligence and cunning of a Dick Cheney. There is no reason to believe the gov't on anything, unless they produce hard evidence to support it.
Concerning 911, I'm sure that Cheney was involved on some level. There is overwhelming evidence that the events did not go down the way the gov't says they did. One compelling piece of evidence exists in the finding if nano-thermite at the crash cite. This is a compound that melts steel and is only used by the gov't/military. Here is an architect from a 2 year old video discussing it. At the time, there were 700 memebers of Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth, but today there are 1500.
This is from Canadian TV. But why hasn't he or others appeared in the US? It's because our gov't, which controls the MSM, doesn't want people to know about these things. It also knows most Americans are lazy and will never research the issue, (or any other important issue) on their own.
The way to settle this issue is to have a public discussion or debate between those like Richard Gage and those sceintists and engineers that support the governments's version. This will never happen, as the gov't knows that it has no case.
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Post by Sung on May 29, 2011 18:34:30 GMT -6
As a matter of fact, Bin Laden died ten years ago. The Feds use him again for another big plot, to justify a false flag 'dirty bomb attack" for the last oil looting war - Iran war.
They say they dropped Bin Laden's body into sea - because there was no body at all.
They can't show you a film. - there was a 25 minutes black-out. But there are eighty commandoes, how could all cameras on these commandoes' helmet de-functioned at the same time?
They show you a picture of “situation room” that all Obama’s administration members were present. Did they see everything or they just saw something else? It seems none of these elites could describe the event clearly and correctly that we heard the government changed their story again and again in the news.
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Post by sung on Jun 11, 2011 17:00:15 GMT -6
Bin Laden died ten years ago. They keep him alive because they need a false flag enemy to maintain the "war on terror". Now US economy can't support them for such an expensive war. To finish it, they need fulfil their last step - war on Iran. So they push out such a soap drama, it is a "provocative action", sychronized with "Quran burning" in Florida and "veil ban" law passed in French, to justify a coming "dirty bomb attack" which will lead to war on Iran like what 911 leading to war on Afghanistan and Iraq.
This is an cheating operation done by the Feds.
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Post by Sung on Jun 22, 2011 17:58:49 GMT -6
When Feds need war in Mid-east, Al Qaida came to help. That was 911 attack which gave them an excuse to start war in Afghan and Iraq. When the Feds can’t convince the public that they killed Bin Laden in “Geronimo Operation”, Al Qaida came out again to prove their master is correct. Al-Qaida confirms Osama bin Laden's death Saturday, May 07, 2011 NEW YORK -- Al-Qaida on Friday confirmed the killing of Osama bin Laden and warned of retaliation, saying Americans' "happiness will turn to sadness." abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/national_world&id=8115703Al Qaida, confirms Bin Laden's death while a lot of people suspect it's another hoax of the US government. Did Al Qadia join the "kill Bin Laden operation"? Have they got the DNA testing result? Or, more likely, it's just an order from their US master to help them to strenthen the lie? One thing else was that Al Qaida seems to have access to the toppest secret of US government. They knew "kill Bin Laden Operation" in advance. Quote, " Five days before May 1st, Wikileaks and Al Qaida knew of “Bin Laden’s death” would have happened and announced a warning. The news is a clumsy product of the “disinformation office” of the Feds. It means: 1. Al Qaida have nuclear weapon. They haven’t used it because Bin Laden hadn’t been caught or killed. 2. Wikileaks and Al Qaida knew Bin Laden would be killed several days later so issued a warning. Al Qaida are so powerful that they knew everything, have everything and can do everything even though they are chased from the cave to cave, because they have the Magic Lantern of Alladin. They always come out in time when the Feds need them. They activated 911 attack to help justify Mid-east war. This time, will they have a nuke attack to justify war on Iran?
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Post by Sung on Jul 2, 2011 18:38:33 GMT -6
The purpose to create "kill Bin Laden" show is to justify a false flag nuclear attack in US. Where did the Al Qaida get the nuclear bomb? Pakistan. You see, Pakistan not only hid the Al Qaida leader, but also supplied him the nuclear bomb. That's how the story was done.
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