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Post by jacquelope on May 5, 2011 19:32:39 GMT -6
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Post by blueneck on May 5, 2011 20:41:30 GMT -6
The luddites were highly skilled artisans who were protesting bad economic policy that degraded their value as skilled labor
I am sure unemployed garment workers in the carolinas would be happy to have those "low value" jobs back they once had, I am sure it beats working at the convenience store
The low value job argument always gets my goat - who decides what a low value job is? not the guy on the assembly line for sure to me a job is a job regardless, and better than straining the social safety net what little is left of it. I would contend a job making underwear is of far more value than some bozo on wall street leaching wealth off the rest of us. Pretty sad that we as a nation no longer posses the capability to clothe and shoe ourselves Even Ricardo would not think it wise for a nation to willingly get rid of these sorts of industries
Computers, electronics, auto parts, medical devices - all offshored. these are not low value mfg jobs - these are the very definition of high tech
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Post by jacquelope on May 6, 2011 21:26:04 GMT -6
The luddites were highly skilled artisans who were protesting bad economic policy that degraded their value as skilled labor I am sure unemployed garment workers in the carolinas would be happy to have those "low value" jobs back they once had, I am sure it beats working at the convenience store And that's the gist of it all - there's this big promise of people leaving textiles and manufacturing and going onto higher-value, higher-paid work. That isn't always true, and now it is quite rarely true.
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Post by waltc on May 8, 2011 14:07:04 GMT -6
Some people think that the only worthwhile job is one sitting behind a desk, doing meetings and calling people on the phone.
Anything else to them is menial and worthless in nature. BTW this mentality seems to be quite apparent among younger college grads. They think working with one's hands, even if it's high skilled like making circuit boards for NASA space probes or sub systems in a CAT scan machine is moron work.
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Post by jacquelope on May 8, 2011 18:58:26 GMT -6
Some people think that the only worthwhile job is one sitting behind a desk, doing meetings and calling people on the phone. Anything else to them is menial and worthless in nature. BTW this mentality seems to be quite apparent among younger college grads. They think working with one's hands, even if it's high skilled like making circuit boards for NASA space probes or sub systems in a CAT scan machine is moron work. Which is why they won't even address the loss of R&D and tech industry jobs overseas. They won't dare talk about that at ALL.
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Post by jacquelope on May 8, 2011 19:56:42 GMT -6
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Post by jacquelope on May 8, 2011 21:23:39 GMT -6
This guy Gonzomax really knocked it right out of the park with this discovery.
I'm looking for the transcript or links to these comments by this economist "Ha-Joon Chang". This stuff is really devastating to the pro-offshoring movement.
I'd tweak argument #8 somewhat, but other than that... good stuff!
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Post by blueneck on May 9, 2011 4:31:56 GMT -6
which of course is an absolutely absurd argument in favor of offshoring my question back to these bozos who push this garbage is why is it the middle and working class of america's responsibility to build up the workers of another country? why should I sacrifice my hard work, education for someone else in another country? hy should we sacrifice the wealth, innovation, infrasturcture build up by the hard work of our fathers and granfaters? sound like socialism to me, on a global scale. Look at mexico for example - natural resources, oil, tourism, manufcturing, agriculture - no reason at all that they should not be prosperous on their own, but for a corrupt and greedy plutocratic class.
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Post by jacquelope on May 9, 2011 22:34:09 GMT -6
my question back to these bozos who push this garbage is why is it the middle and working class of america's responsibility to build up the workers of another country? why should I sacrifice my hard work, education for someone else in another country? hy should we sacrifice the wealth, innovation, infrasturcture build up by the hard work of our fathers and granfaters? sound like socialism to me, on a global scale. And as I've also said to those brain-dead comments, what are these poor people in other nations going to do when we run out of jobs to export? What will they do when our dollar collapses and we can't buy their goods anymore? China lost 20 million jobs during our 2008 downturn. If the Dollar takes a dive their entire economy is jones'd.
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Post by waltc on May 10, 2011 10:42:39 GMT -6
Blueneck wrote:
my question back to these bozos who push this garbage is why is it the middle and working class of america's responsibility to build up the workers of another country? why should I sacrifice my hard work, education for someone else in another country? hy should we sacrifice the wealth, innovation, infrasturcture build up by the hard work of our fathers and granfaters? sound like socialism to me, on a global scale.
No, it's destruction of the country. You have no idea of the enmity that some here in this country have towards the people here. Paul Krugman(the beard of knowing) and his Lefty friends were big promoters of this notion for many years. Recently he reversed himself. He's smart enough to understand that the further we progress down this road the further chances of some sort of violent uprising where his ilk will be slaughtered like fattened hogs.
Still this mentality is quite popular among Lefty "fair traders" like David Sirota. They love fair(modified free trade) as long as it helps some 3rd worlder regardless of how many Americans are ruined.
They themselves don't care because they themselves are often independently wealthy.
The bottom line. The fact that a person isn't trying to shoot or bomb Americans doesn't mean they are our friend. Much of the worst damage done to our people and country was done by legislation and ideologues like Krugman and Friedman.
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Post by jacquelope on May 10, 2011 19:59:41 GMT -6
Blueneck wrote: my question back to these bozos who push this garbage is why is it the middle and working class of america's responsibility to build up the workers of another country? why should I sacrifice my hard work, education for someone else in another country? hy should we sacrifice the wealth, innovation, infrasturcture build up by the hard work of our fathers and granfaters? sound like socialism to me, on a global scale.
No, it's destruction of the country. You have no idea of the enmity that some here in this country have towards the people here. Paul Krugman(the beard of knowing) and his Lefty friends were big promoters of this notion for many years. Recently he reversed himself. He's smart enough to understand that the further we progress down this road the further chances of some sort of violent uprising where his ilk will be slaughtered like fattened hogs. Yeah I must have started seeing Krugman during his "after the change" years, because it seems to me that he understands the damage being done by offshoring.
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on May 10, 2011 21:47:48 GMT -6
Blueneck wrote: my question back to these bozos who push this garbage is why is it the middle and working class of america's responsibility to build up the workers of another country? why should I sacrifice my hard work, education for someone else in another country? hy should we sacrifice the wealth, innovation, infrasturcture build up by the hard work of our fathers and granfaters? sound like socialism to me, on a global scale.
No, it's destruction of the country. You have no idea of the enmity that some here in this country have towards the people here. Paul Krugman(the beard of knowing) and his Lefty friends were big promoters of this notion for many years. Recently he reversed himself. He's smart enough to understand that the further we progress down this road the further chances of some sort of violent uprising where his ilk will be slaughtered like fattened hogs. Yeah I must have started seeing Krugman during his "after the change" years, because it seems to me that he understands the damage being done by offshoring. Yes, I think Krugman has finally seen the light--i.e., that his own country is going down the toilet from jobs being shipped overseas.
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Post by jacquelope on May 11, 2011 7:26:45 GMT -6
Yeah I must have started seeing Krugman during his "after the change" years, because it seems to me that he understands the damage being done by offshoring. Yes, I think Krugman has finally seen the light--i.e., that his own country is going down the toilet from jobs being shipped overseas. As long as the sinner remains a reformed sinner he's okay by me. I used to drink the free market kool-aid myself.
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Post by fredorbob on May 15, 2011 9:04:22 GMT -6
Some people think that the only worthwhile job is one sitting behind a desk, doing meetings and calling people on the phone. ...and then they jump on a treadmill for 30-60 minutes a day and sweat their brains out to equal the amount of cardio a blue collar worker gets without even trying. I now know what it's like to sit on your butt all day. It's horrible. I feel horrible.
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