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Post by jacquelope on Aug 11, 2011 20:33:52 GMT -6
Do you really think that greed and incompetence is at the root of what's going on in the economy today? If so I really think you are being way too optimistic.
It has been apparent to me for a long time that what's going on is an effort to exterminate a large swath of the American population.
It's not something that ends with us in cattle cars or troops sweeping the poor barrios with guns. That ship sailed into oblivion in 1945.
No, this is a whole new way of purging those of you who the rich and powerful have designated as "useless eaters". It's called death by deprivation. It's achieved by the gradual deprivation of jobs and social safety nets, and it's being eased down our throats by episodes of Jersey Shore laced heavily with divisive rhetoric pitting working class American citizens against each other.
When it's all done America will be reduced to the filthy rich and those they keep around just long enough to keep them happy. (Think: sex slaves or entertainers.) The rest of us - the jobless, the working poor, small businesses, anyone that impedes their unrestricted consumption of the nation and world's resources in the pursuit of opulence and decadence - will have quietly died off.
What we're up against is not just greed or incompetence. It is the opening salvo of systematic extermination. If we stay this course most of us will simply wither off the vine and die quietly.
You may think that systematic extermination is NOT their end goal. Fine. Okay. So at least consider what one would do if one was looking to exterminate a population without giving oneself away, and without using overt tactics like cattle cars and genocide. Compare that to what's happening now. Discuss the difference. Is there any?
This is why I feel we need a total, global collapse. Yeah, road warriors, and all that. It puts the ultra wealthy's skin in the game. When their own lives are made insecure that's when they'll abandon that bullshit.
It took the fall of the Roman and Byzantine Empire for the Renaissance to come and bring enlightenment to the world. (The plague wouldn't have done that by itself, IMO, and even if it did, we certainly don't want to see that again.) Rome must fall again if humanity is to ever have a chance at making itself better.
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Post by fredorbob on Aug 11, 2011 23:22:05 GMT -6
It's the pro-slavery interests gaining strength again, that's all.
Not the end of the world, just history repeating itself. And in history about 330,000 Confederates were killed, out of 9 million. So if you halve the current US population we will have to kill about 5,500,000 pro-slavery Americans to set things right again. That's allot of bullets.
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Aug 11, 2011 23:37:07 GMT -6
This is why I feel we need a total, global collapse. Yeah, road warriors, and all that. It puts the ultra wealthy's skin in the game. When their own lives are made insecure that's when they'll abandon that bullshit. You might be right. There seems to be no other way to stop our downward slide into another Dark Age.
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Post by jacquelope on Aug 12, 2011 1:08:48 GMT -6
It's the pro-slavery interests gaining strength again, that's all. I think it's worse than that this time around. The rich have automation now, they can use machines for slaves. (Edit: or at least they THINK they can.) Have you ever heard of the Georgia Guidestone? Check it out on wikipedia. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_guidestoneThis is serious shit. They actually have this fucker sitting plain as day out in Elbert County, Georgia. It's right there for you to see, right out in the open. Ask yourself, how would this benefit the rich? Greatly. They have their quiet utopia then. Now ask yourself, what are they doing RIGHT NOW that is inconsistent with that goal?
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Post by graybeard on Aug 12, 2011 5:43:08 GMT -6
I think Bill Gates is promoting children's health in Africa, and not birth control.
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Post by jeffolie on Aug 12, 2011 8:10:33 GMT -6
Depressions, hyperinflation, deflations are more common than you might guess when one widens the history to just the last 150 years to look at 'modern societies'. For example, the last 30 years in the 1800 had a long depression that was worse than the Great Depression of the 1930s and Japan has been in slow motion decline for the last 20 years. An economist in the early half of the 1900s named Kondratieff specialized in the long view of boom/busts including depressions concluding that depressions were a kind of clearing out of the old cronyism allowing for innovation to rise into the next boom. I expect the same in America when this period is finally over. So, long term, for my children's children, I am optimistic that after the doom, then American innovation will improve my children's children's standard of living. But, for now I remain a financial doomer.
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Post by fredorbob on Aug 12, 2011 21:15:37 GMT -6
Well I agree that lower population density equals higher standard of living, but if the solution is gonna have to be genocide I'd start with executing the guy who wrote this; like how the Tyrant of Sicily tested out the new Brazen Bull on it's inventor.
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Aug 12, 2011 22:19:14 GMT -6
I think Bill Gates is promoting children's health in Africa, and not birth control. Sounds like Gates is trying to expand and cheapen the world's labor force. Which is completely consistent with his push to increase low-wage H1B immigrants into this country, in order to suppress American wages. Environmental biologists teach us that you don't give food or health aid to poor countries without also giving contraceptive aid as well. That's because preventing starvation and improving health also increases birth rates--thus increasing populations and exacerbating all the problems the initial food/health aid was supposed relieve.
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Post by jeffolie on Aug 13, 2011 7:42:05 GMT -6
I think Bill Gates is promoting children's health in Africa, and not birth control. Sounds like Gates is trying to expand and cheapen the world's labor force. Which is completely consistent with his push to increase low-wage H1B immigrants into this country, in order to suppress American wages. Environmental biologists teach us that you don't give food or health aid to poor countries without also giving contraceptive aid as well. That's because preventing starvation and improving health also increases birth rates--thus increasing populations and exacerbating all the problems the initial food/health aid was supposed relieve. Birth control has not succeeded very well in India where Hindus seek larger families for economic and social reasons. India's billion plus population most likely will become the largest in the world as China's population falls behind India. Resources and naturally ocurring wood are consumed quickly in India for poor families to avoid expenses of paying for basics. Arab, North Africa experienced revolts, revolutions over the last year in part because of their large population of young, angry men resulting from their high birthrate. Syria has a very high percentage of its population under 30 as do many of the "Arab Summer" countries. I expect riots in America but not now. America will impose more severe "austerity" when the impact of Republican legislation in 2013 impacts in 2014 and/or beyond. So, riots will follow the concentration of gangs, minorities when their food and entertainment are cut off no sooner than 2014 or beyond. The riots I expect when the resentment against the future "austerity" that I expect in 2014 and/or beyond will be located where the largest masses of young jobless, angry men are located. Today, average unemployment rate for teens ages 16 to 19 in the District of Columbia was 50.1 percent ... this would be a likely riot location by 2014 and/or beyond. "... Average Teen Unemployment Rate in D.C. is 50.1%, Analysis Shows..." cnsnews.com/news/article/average-teen-unemployment-rate-dc-501-an-0America excels at providing hope, food, entertainment to jobless minorities. Food comes from the Food Stamp Program. Hope came from politics in the form of Obama. Entertainment comes from music, TV ( black teens watch almost 9 hours of TV per day while white adults watch half of that). I call this America's 'Bread and Circuses" and did threads: taoeconomics.com/ss/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=582&hilit=+breadtaoeconomics.com/ss/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1899&hilit=+breadI expected the continuation of America's decline in crime and included this in a 2011 jeffolie prediction. "...US POLITICS: Gridlock-No major new programs will pass because the House Republicans’ agenda to reduce spending will dominate while the Democratic Senate will block, Obama will compromise to pass raising the debt limit and continuing federal government funding. Palin will lead in Republican polling. Crime will continue its 30 year declining trend. Read more: unlawflcombatnt.proboards.com/in ... z1UqPIFLhG ====================================================== Anarchy and Austerity: Why London Won't Be the Last City to Burn Aug 10 2011 The Great Recession gave birth to a lost generation across the world, where youth unemployment rates stretch into the 20s, 30s and even 40s. Those millions have responded with violence. REUTERS The riots and fires consuming London are a story about senseless violence and crime. They are also a story about urban politics, race relations, education inequality, and British culture and society. But underneath all of that, they are part of an economic story that is universal. For the last year, Great Britain has embraced austerity to a degree that would make some American conservatives blush. The purpose of shrinking government was to reduce debt. But the effect has been to kill the economy. With the UK tottering on the razor's edge of recession, consumer confidence is at a record low, unemployment is rising, and even the most optimistic economists predict one-percent expansion for the rest of the year. For 100 years, across the world, more cuts have led to more crime. The scourge of young restlessness growing in this noxious petri dish is potent enough to have a nickname. The British call them the NEETs, as in "Not in Education, Employment, or Training." Last year, British Employment Minister Chris Grayling called chronic youth unemployment a "ticking time bomb." That bomb is way past ticking. The theft and violence and street crime and lawlessness in London is shocking. But it's not unique. Around the world, the burden of unemployment falls hardest on the young, who often respond with violence. The average jobless rate between 18-29 years was nearly 20% last year in OECD countries, the Wall Street Journal has reported. High unemployment was a factor in protests in Spain, uprisings in the Middle East and North Africa. The connection between joblessness and violence comes to life in a timely August research paper Austerity and Anarchy: Budget Cuts and Social Unrest in Europe, 1919-2009, which found "a clear positive correlation between fiscal retrenchment and instability." Authors Jacopo Ponticelli and Hans-Joachim Voth examined the relationship between spending cuts and a measure of instability they termed CHAOS -- "the sum of demonstrations, riots, strikes, assassinations, and attempted revolutions in a single year in each country." Their conclusion: Austerity breeds anarchy. More cuts, more crime.This clickable graph helps to tell the story. cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/business/chaos.png"Educated youth have been in the vanguard of rebellions against authority certainly since the French Revolution and in some cases even earlier," Jack A. Goldstone, a sociologist at George Mason University School of Public Policy, told journalist Peter Coy in February. If that's true, we are only in the first chapter of a worldwide rebellion against lost opportunities for the young. In North Africa and the Middle East, people aged 15-29 make up the largest share of the population ever. In Iran, they account for a third of the country. In Jordan, Egypt and Morocco, they make up 30 percent. What about us? One in five Americans are between 15 and 29-years old. And one in five of those Americans are unemployed. For minorities and the under-educated, the picture is much worse. Black teenagers have an unemployment rate of 44 percent, twice the rate for white teens. And yet, somewhat miraculously, crime has fallen in the U.S. through the Great Recession. James Q. Wilson offered four explanations: (1) More criminals in prison; (2) Better police tactics for finding and patrolling crime hotspots; (3) Better home security technology; and (4) Fewer drugs, including lead in our blood and cocaine. The long decline of American crime is one of the quiet miracles of the last 40 years. We're about to find out if it can hold up to American-style austerity. www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/08/anarchy-and-austerity-why-london-wont-be-the-last-city-to-burn/243435/
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Aug 13, 2011 8:51:07 GMT -6
And yet, somewhat miraculously, crime has fallen in the U.S. through the Great Recession. James Q. Wilson offered four explanations: (1) More criminals in prison; (2) Better police tactics for finding and patrolling crime hotspots; (3) Better home security technology And we have the most expansive national security apparatus in the world (Homeland Security, NSA, FBI, CIA, DEA, ATF, Border Patrol, Secret Service, etc.), coupled with local, county, and state law enforcement agencies. In fact, the United States is the most advanced police state in the world. You can't even fart without a law enforcement agency finding out about it. Little wonder that Americans "cling to their guns," as the Obamamessiah put it during his presidential campaign. The 2nd Amendment's main intent was to let Americans protect themselves against their own government. Never have we needed that protection more than today.
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Post by waltc on Aug 13, 2011 9:11:15 GMT -6
Crime has went down?
There's a laugh.
I've noticed in my area many police raids over the years and not one of them was ever reported in the local police blotter. About a year ago there were 3 teenage blacks roaming my neighborhood at robbing and beating the shit out of people(13 to be exact). Nothing in the paper or blotter until they mugged a retired cop and one was shot for it.
When a couple of local shops were robbed again nothing.
The fact is you don't take a walk at night where I live unless you're armed. Otherwise you might meet Julio or Davone the thug and his buddies.
Why the cover up? Real Estate prices, no one wants to live where there's a high crime rate. Hence the pressure put on city officials to cook statistics and keep bad news out of the news.
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Post by jacquelope on Aug 13, 2011 9:32:01 GMT -6
Well I agree that lower population density equals higher standard of living, but if the solution is gonna have to be genocide I'd start with executing the guy who wrote this; like how the Tyrant of Sicily tested out the new Brazen Bull on it's inventor. Like I said, you gotta put the plutocrats' skin in the game.
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Post by jacquelope on Aug 13, 2011 9:34:36 GMT -6
I expect riots in America but not now. America will impose more severe "austerity" when the impact of Republican legislation in 2013 impacts in 2014 and/or beyond. So, riots will follow the concentration of gangs, minorities when their food and entertainment are cut off no sooner than 2014 or beyond. The riots I expect when the resentment against the future "austerity" that I expect in 2014 and/or beyond will be located where the largest masses of young jobless, angry men are located. FYI one of the biggest hidden secrets in London was the large number of jobless whites that also rioted. This isn't just going to affect minorities.
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Post by waltc on Aug 13, 2011 11:52:13 GMT -6
The Londoners who rioted are pampered welfare scum who have it much easier than most. Austerity measures had nothing to do it with it.
Hell the riots were set off by the death of the community cocaine and gun dealer by police. The savages didn't like it and went Mau Mau on the city.
No social justice, just plain ass looting like in the Katrina disaster.
And yes the riot was a multiculturalist's delight. Everyone on the dole from big fat Hasidic Jews, Pakis, to Africans to 20 something English took part in the looting and burning.
Al of them worthless as human beings. They couldn't even apply let alone hold a job. Store owners know better than to try to hire people on the dole because they are often stupid(having never completed high school) and lazy. Most won't even show up for the interview. Employers instead often look to the Poles, Hungarians and Slovaks to hire as workers. They still have a work ethic and will show up for the interview.
In short you can blame the riots on a welfare system that demanded nothing of it's recipients and even indulged them by allowing them all sorts of vices, to forbidding the police from arresting them on petty crimes like vandalism, theft and even muggings. It's gotten to the point where homeowners don't even report crimes because the police didn't do anything.
Then the intellectuals and government types wonder why the riots happened. G-d what a bunch of fools.
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Post by jacquelope on Aug 13, 2011 17:12:46 GMT -6
The Londoners who rioted are pampered welfare scum who have it much easier than most. Austerity measures had nothing to do it with it. Hell the riots were set off by the death of the community cocaine and gun dealer by police. The savages didn't like it and went Mau Mau on the city. Problem is, England is a culture of looting. It starts with the banks looting the whole country during their economic crisis, crisis capitalism / shock doctrine and all that. But it's okay when the banks steal from the people. Those filthy rats in London, though, get a rope. (Not saying you hold this view, but that's how the media is approaching it.) Outside of Japan, I doubt any place hit by a Katrina-level disaster won't have tons of looting. I've no doubt that SOME of these folks have no skills, but I see no proof that a lack of skills and character is as widespread as you say. What I do see is a lot of propaganda being put out from there to justify hiring cheap foreign labor. You know, they do that right here. Hire illegals instead of Americans, and call the Americans lazy. Union workers are too lazy, so send manufacturing overseas. (Oh whoops, non-union jobs are leaving, too!) Americans are too lazy, so hire illegals to pick our grapes in the sweltering sun (so they can die of heat stroke, but they won't tell you that). Follow the money. The "lazy domestic workers" propaganda ALWAYS precedes, without fail, the mass disposal of domestic workers in favor of foreign workers who are always cheaper. Always. Follow the money. "Lazy domestic workers" just another way to divide the working class so the plutocrats can keep on looting in their hard working 3-piece suits. I say the rioters should have burned down the banks and the banksters' houses. And yet the minorities there say that they are regularly harassed by the cops. It's a rite of passage to be searched by the police. Of course he's a darkie (sarcasm) so I guess he's a liar, by color-coded default. The unemployment rate there is like 8%, but 20% for youths. This is not due to a skills mismatch, but rather it is demand side: that means no matter how good you are, you aren't going to find a job because there's simply no need for so many workers. The entire Western economy is moving toward a system where fewer workers will ever be needed. Too many people, not enough jobs. A plutonomy. We're putting out large numbers of unemployed college grads in the Western world, worse than it's been since the 1970s. The difference between them and these looters is that they also have big debts to pay off. Congratulations, college grads, you followed the straight and narrow and now you have debts you can't pay off, can't get out from under, and no jobs. There's a lot of educated college grads out there who might as well have stayed home, watched television, and robbed to eat. What will we say of them when their "nothing to lose" moment comes, too? Of course, the blame the college graduates game is already afoot.
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Aug 13, 2011 23:56:32 GMT -6
What I do see is a lot of propaganda being put out from there to justify hiring cheap foreign labor. You know, they do that right here. Hire illegals instead of Americans, and call the Americans lazy. Union workers are too lazy, so send manufacturing overseas. (Oh whoops, non-union jobs are leaving, too!) Americans are too lazy, so hire illegals to pick our grapes in the sweltering sun (so they can die of heat stroke, but they won't tell you that). Follow the money. The "lazy domestic workers" propaganda ALWAYS precedes, without fail, the mass disposal of domestic workers in favor of foreign workers who are always cheaper. Always. Follow the money. "Lazy domestic workers" just another way to divide the working class so the plutocrats can keep on looting in their hard working 3-piece suits. I say the rioters should have burned down the banks and the banksters' houses.... The unemployment rate there is like 8%, but 20% for youths. This is not due to a skills mismatch, but rather it is demand side: that means no matter how good you are, you aren't going to find a job because there's simply no need for so many workers. The entire Western economy is moving toward a system where fewer workers will ever be needed. Too many people, not enough jobs. A plutonomy. We're putting out large numbers of unemployed college grads in the Western world, worse than it's been since the 1970s. The difference between them and these looters is that they also have big debts to pay off. Congratulations, college grads, you followed the straight and narrow and now you have debts you can't pay off, can't get out from under, and no jobs. There's a lot of educated college grads out there who might as well have stayed home, watched television, and robbed to eat. What will we say of them when their "nothing to lose" moment comes, too? Of course, the blame the college graduates game is already afoot Well said, jacquelope. I couldn't agree more.
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Post by jacquelope on Aug 14, 2011 16:34:43 GMT -6
Well said, jacquelope. I couldn't agree more. Thanks! I was talking to my wife about this and something else came up, too. Well, not so much something else as a different way of looking at the situation. It seems this is more of a chicken vs the egg dilemma. Are these youths jobless in England because they are lazy, or are they lazy because they are jobless? Which one precipitated the other?
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