Post by unlawflcombatnt on Sept 1, 2014 11:28:15 GMT -6
?? Russian Tanks invade Ukraine ?? 
NATO & Western Allies are now making the claim that, not only have Russian troops crossed into Ukraine, but that Russian tanks are accompanying them.
They've even offered up an alleged satellite image as proof.
Interestingly enough, however, the source of the imaging is not from the US Military, a US Intelligence agency, or other Western military or intelligence sources.
Instead, this "picture" of Russian tanks comes from a private source, Digital Globe. This conveniently allows the West plausible deny-ability if the information is wrong or faked.
So the West can use this picture for propaganda purposes, without any need to verify it.
But even if the imaging DOES turn out to be accurate, there are already legitimate reasons why Russian-made tanks would be seen in Ukraine.
Rebels are known to have captured a considerable number of Russian-made Ukranian tanks & military vehicles.
In fact, that number is quite large.
Major US News networks have previously shown Rebels in possession of captured, Russian-made Ukrainian tanks.
(Along with millions of other Americans, I've seen these on television myself, along with interviews of the Rebel soldiers who captured them.)
As such, the sighting of 10 "Russian" tanks by satellite imaging is meaningless.
The Rebels were already in possession of large numbers of these tanks.
www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39543.htm
“Russia Invades Ukraine”,
Strategic NATO Public Relations Stunt.
Where Are The Russian Tanks?
Mon, Sept 1, 2014
By Prof Michel Chossudovsky
"Read the London tabloids. Russia has launched “a full-scale invasion”. A vast propaganda campaign has been launched. Where is the evidence?
The media is spreading “fake evidence” in the week leading up to the Wales NATO Summit.
The objective is to herald Russia as the aggressor.
.............
A large loss of military equipment is confirmed by the Ukraine Ministry of Internal Affairs, either destroyed or captured by Donbass forces.
Official Ukraine sources acknowledge a significant loss of tanks and armored vehicles.
Based solely on a 2 week period in July, 35 Ukraine Army tanks and 96 Armored Battle Vehicles were either confiscated or destroyed by Donetsk and Lugansk forces, according to an official brief signed by Arsen Avakov (Minister of Internal Affairs) and V. Gritsak (Head of ATO [Anti-Terrorism Operation])
Tanks: 35
Armoured Battle Vehicles: 96
Artillery: 38
Aircraft: 7
Helicopters: 2
Automobiles: 104
While the above figures do not distinguish between confiscated and destroyed military equipment, Cyberberkut, provides the following data based on leaked official information.
According to Cyberberkut: some 65 tanks and 69 armoured battle vehicles and other military hardware (See list below) were captured by the Donbass militia over a period of less than 2 months (from June 20 to August 15).
tanks T-64 – 65 units;
infantry fighting vehicles (BMP) – 69 units;
armored personnel carriers (BTR) – 39 units;
combat reconnaissance patrol vehicles (BRDM) – 2 units;
airborne combat vehicles (BMD) – 9 units;
multiple artillery rocket systems (RSZO) BM27 Uragan – 2 units;
self-propelled guns (SAU) 2S4 “Tyulpan” – 2 units;
self-propelled guns (SAU) 2S9 “Nona” – 6 units;
self-propelled guns (SAU) 2S1 “Gvozdika” – 25 units;
howitzers D-30 – 10 units; 82 mm. caliber mortars – 32 units;
anti-aircraft mounts ZU-23-2 – 18 units; wheeled vehicles – 124 units.
While we are not in a position to fully corroborate the Cyberberkut report (based on leaked official documents), the figures collected over the period of June 20 to August 15 are broadly consistent with the official release.
What these 2 sets of figures confirm is that rebel forces in Donesk and Lugansk possess a significant military arsenal and this arsenal did not originate from Russia.
It was captured from Ukraine forces as confirmed by official Ukraine sources.
This information is of crucial significance because it refutes the accusations by Washington and NATO that the tanks and armored vehicles identified in Donbass came from Russia. With the exception of some 1000 Russian volunteers under Donbass military command, there is no evidence of Russian forces inside Ukraine.
Moreover, it should be noted that entire Ukrainian battalions have surrendered to the Donetsk and Lugansk militia; a large number of Ukrainian soldiers who have abandoned the battlefield have fled to Russia or have joined the Donbass militia:
“The 72nd Brigade for all intents and purposes has ceased to exist [in early August] due to ammunition and food rations running out. They held on while they still had resources and then began to exit into the territory of the Russian Federation – at first in separate groups, followed by the surviving remnants of the once full-fledged brigade.
The hardware was all abandoned at their positions, which continue to be controlled by Junta troops that have not yet surrendered. When militiamen would drive up on tanks as close as 400 metres away from the positions of the Junta, there was no return fire – there is simply nothing to fire back with. Some of the soldiers of the 72ndBrigade had no rounds left during the surrender; others had 1-2 magazines per automatic rifle. (Entire Ukraine Military Brigade Abandons the Battlefield and Surrenders to Donbass Militia, The Surrender of the 72nd Brigade, Global Research, August 4, 2014)"
NATO & Western Allies are now making the claim that, not only have Russian troops crossed into Ukraine, but that Russian tanks are accompanying them.
They've even offered up an alleged satellite image as proof.
Interestingly enough, however, the source of the imaging is not from the US Military, a US Intelligence agency, or other Western military or intelligence sources.
Instead, this "picture" of Russian tanks comes from a private source, Digital Globe. This conveniently allows the West plausible deny-ability if the information is wrong or faked.
So the West can use this picture for propaganda purposes, without any need to verify it.
But even if the imaging DOES turn out to be accurate, there are already legitimate reasons why Russian-made tanks would be seen in Ukraine.
Rebels are known to have captured a considerable number of Russian-made Ukranian tanks & military vehicles.
In fact, that number is quite large.
Major US News networks have previously shown Rebels in possession of captured, Russian-made Ukrainian tanks.
(Along with millions of other Americans, I've seen these on television myself, along with interviews of the Rebel soldiers who captured them.)
As such, the sighting of 10 "Russian" tanks by satellite imaging is meaningless.
The Rebels were already in possession of large numbers of these tanks.
www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39543.htm
“Russia Invades Ukraine”,
Strategic NATO Public Relations Stunt.
Where Are The Russian Tanks?
Mon, Sept 1, 2014
By Prof Michel Chossudovsky
"Read the London tabloids. Russia has launched “a full-scale invasion”. A vast propaganda campaign has been launched. Where is the evidence?
The media is spreading “fake evidence” in the week leading up to the Wales NATO Summit.
The objective is to herald Russia as the aggressor.
.............
A large loss of military equipment is confirmed by the Ukraine Ministry of Internal Affairs, either destroyed or captured by Donbass forces.
Official Ukraine sources acknowledge a significant loss of tanks and armored vehicles.
Based solely on a 2 week period in July, 35 Ukraine Army tanks and 96 Armored Battle Vehicles were either confiscated or destroyed by Donetsk and Lugansk forces, according to an official brief signed by Arsen Avakov (Minister of Internal Affairs) and V. Gritsak (Head of ATO [Anti-Terrorism Operation])
Tanks: 35
Armoured Battle Vehicles: 96
Artillery: 38
Aircraft: 7
Helicopters: 2
Automobiles: 104
While the above figures do not distinguish between confiscated and destroyed military equipment, Cyberberkut, provides the following data based on leaked official information.
According to Cyberberkut: some 65 tanks and 69 armoured battle vehicles and other military hardware (See list below) were captured by the Donbass militia over a period of less than 2 months (from June 20 to August 15).
tanks T-64 – 65 units;
infantry fighting vehicles (BMP) – 69 units;
armored personnel carriers (BTR) – 39 units;
combat reconnaissance patrol vehicles (BRDM) – 2 units;
airborne combat vehicles (BMD) – 9 units;
multiple artillery rocket systems (RSZO) BM27 Uragan – 2 units;
self-propelled guns (SAU) 2S4 “Tyulpan” – 2 units;
self-propelled guns (SAU) 2S9 “Nona” – 6 units;
self-propelled guns (SAU) 2S1 “Gvozdika” – 25 units;
howitzers D-30 – 10 units; 82 mm. caliber mortars – 32 units;
anti-aircraft mounts ZU-23-2 – 18 units; wheeled vehicles – 124 units.
While we are not in a position to fully corroborate the Cyberberkut report (based on leaked official documents), the figures collected over the period of June 20 to August 15 are broadly consistent with the official release.
What these 2 sets of figures confirm is that rebel forces in Donesk and Lugansk possess a significant military arsenal and this arsenal did not originate from Russia.
It was captured from Ukraine forces as confirmed by official Ukraine sources.
This information is of crucial significance because it refutes the accusations by Washington and NATO that the tanks and armored vehicles identified in Donbass came from Russia. With the exception of some 1000 Russian volunteers under Donbass military command, there is no evidence of Russian forces inside Ukraine.
Moreover, it should be noted that entire Ukrainian battalions have surrendered to the Donetsk and Lugansk militia; a large number of Ukrainian soldiers who have abandoned the battlefield have fled to Russia or have joined the Donbass militia:
“The 72nd Brigade for all intents and purposes has ceased to exist [in early August] due to ammunition and food rations running out. They held on while they still had resources and then began to exit into the territory of the Russian Federation – at first in separate groups, followed by the surviving remnants of the once full-fledged brigade.
The hardware was all abandoned at their positions, which continue to be controlled by Junta troops that have not yet surrendered. When militiamen would drive up on tanks as close as 400 metres away from the positions of the Junta, there was no return fire – there is simply nothing to fire back with. Some of the soldiers of the 72ndBrigade had no rounds left during the surrender; others had 1-2 magazines per automatic rifle. (Entire Ukraine Military Brigade Abandons the Battlefield and Surrenders to Donbass Militia, The Surrender of the 72nd Brigade, Global Research, August 4, 2014)"
