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Post by jeffolie on Jan 3, 2009 12:48:23 GMT -6
True: Intel is hiring ================================================================ Job Information Company: Intel Corporation Location: US-NY-Relocation to Vietnam provided Job Status/Type: Design Engineering Information Technology Occupations: Full-Time Employee Industry: Computer Hardware Computer Software Forward thinking. At Intel, we thrive on it. That's why we put brilliant minds from all over the world together and give them the tools to do amazing things. So whether you're in engineering, manufacturing, operations, or marketing, you'll play an important part in putting our next-generation computing solutions into everyone’s hands. There’s an exceptional future ahead of you—with Intel. INTEL ENGINEERING CAREERS IN VIETNAM ! Intel has exciting Engineering positions available in multiple business groups at our campus in Vietnam. Located in Ho Chi Minh City, Intel’s Assembly and Test facility will become operational in the second half of 2009. Representing a one billion dollar investment, it will be the largest computer equipment and manufacturing plant in Vietnam. We’re looking for creative and energetic engineers with the passion and enthusiasm to develop technologies that improve people's lives from innovative processor architectures to state-of-the-art mobile and wireless technology. You'll shape the future of technology on a global scale. Career opportunities: Test & Assembly engineers Yield Engineers Product/Packaging & Industrial Engineers To qualify for one of these positions, you must possess a BS, MS or PhD degree in a related engineering discipline and have graduated from college in the last 18 months. You must also have the unrestricted right to work in Vietnam without company sponsorship. These career opportunities are in Vietnam and include one-way relocation to Vietnam. Candidates hired for these positions will receive Intel Vietnam’s compensation and benefits package as a local hire. Our employees work in cities all over the world and represent a variety of different backgrounds, yet each person has one thing in common: a commitment to creating market-driving products and technology designed to make a difference. Enjoying life in Ho Chi Minh City ! The natural beauty of Vietnam is perhaps the country's greatest attraction. Verdant rice patties dot the country's landscape, from the Red River Delta in the north to the Mekong Delta in the south. All along Halong Bay, calm, emerald waters beckon visitors, while caves, hidden lakes and white beaches await exploration. For your privacy and protection, when applying to a job online: Never give your social security number to a prospective employer, provide credit card or bank account information, or perform any sort of monetary transaction. Learn More >> www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?sc_extcmp=JS_JobAlert_Title&ipath=PS&psa=1&Job_DID=JBF8DQ67LZDWW6VGJ19&cbRecursionCnt=1&cbsid=f1d75797d79d4ad2821e8e3633d1851d-284305123-JS-5
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Post by agito on Jan 3, 2009 13:23:56 GMT -6
i'm buying amd ... until i see an amd job posting that is similar
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Post by judes on Jan 3, 2009 15:10:46 GMT -6
Unflippinbelievable! Not only do they discriminate against older experienced engineers, (must have graduated in the last 18 months) and pay you on the same scale as the locals, they only give you a one way ticket!! This is the kind of shit that should make every American boycott Intel!! In the end it won't matter if they do or not, because the continuance of this by all the Multi National traitorous corporations will ensure Americans will not be buying their wares as their wages are driven into the ground making them unable to buy if they wanted to or not. Wonder how many computer chips the Vietnamese locals will be buying in 2009?
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Jan 3, 2009 16:33:32 GMT -6
Thanks for sharing this, Jeff.
I already suspected Intel was an outsourcer to the max. As such, all my recent computer purchases have incorporated AMD processors.
Like Agito, I'll continue to buy AMD until I see a similar ad by AMD.
We need to start a boycott of all Intel products. This can be done, since AMD is an equally effective alternative to Intel.
We need to ban all computer and accessory imports immediately. There are plenty of used computers around that people can use, instead of the latest Chinese-made (or Vietnamese-made) product.
Computers can be repaired and/or upgraded, and the US has plenty of underemployed/mis-employed tech workers who could do the repair work. All that's needed is the demand for computer repair work, which would increase dramatically if we banned computer and accessory imports.
In addition, there are still a few shops that will assemble computers from scratch -- and those are located in the US.
Also, as the old adage goes: "Necessity is the mother of invention." (i.e., demand creates supply.)
Restore the demand for American-made computers, and we'll have American-made computers.
All it takes are tariffs and/or embargoes.
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Jan 3, 2009 16:44:36 GMT -6
One of the engineers on this board should try to apply for the job, and find out how much they're paying.
I tried to find out myself, but they won't provide any information on salary offered. It would be real interesting to find out how much they are offering.
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Post by judes on Jan 3, 2009 19:09:48 GMT -6
Unfortunately (not) I do not meet the requirements of the job posting having graduated from college much longer ago than 18 months. I did find this though on pay for engineers and factory workers in Vietnam: www.eons.com/groups/topic/406333-Electronis-engineers-in-Vietnam-make-12-dollars$12,000 per year for electronics engineers and 25 cents an hour for factory workers. Not sure how accurate, but from other things I have read it is probably close. I also found this interesting article. It sounds like Vietnam is the new hot spot emerging market for traitorous greedy CEO's to move their companies to, in a search for the cheapest labor around. www.mpo-mag.com/articles/2008/01/what-do-medical-device-manufacturers-need-to-know-Coincidentally, it appears Vietnam's emergence as the new hot spot corresponds exactly with their being granted permanent normal trade status and the passage of their entry into the WTO in January 2007. It also appears labor there may even be cheaper and less volatile than Chinese labor. And a big sell for the Multi national corporations to relocate is, not only is the direct labor cheap cheap cheap, but indirect and support labor is also extremely cheap!! Yeehaw. Yes, the poor factory worker hand placing IC's or connectors is not alone in making slave wages but all the skilled and white collar workers including engineers and production control and logistics salaried workers make the same dirt poor wages too! Hey, it looks like even Bill Gates is excited about Vietnam now! Especially after they approved the Law on Intellectual Property Rights for him after the threats he made upon a personal visit there!! (Puke - can someone explain how these rabid free marketers who bash regulation at any chance can explain the paradox regarding intellectual property laws and threats by Bill Gates.) Chasing the lowest direct labor cost alone typically is not the best reason for choosing a geography, since direct labor costs do not comprise a major percentage of the costs of global manufacturing. While the lower direct labor costs in Vietnam are one reason for considering this location, it is important that cost savings in support labor—an element that often is overlooked—be taken into consideration. Support labor for high-mix/low-volume products is typically 50% of the total labor cost, we have discovered. In Vietnam, labor cost savings for support engineers and technical personnel are as much or more than direct factory labor cost savings.
Here are some examples of support labor:
• Production lines often are changed two to three times a shift, and it takes technical people to make the changeover, check for proper operation and quality for the new setup.
• Customer change orders for quantity and mix happen every hour in low-volume, high-mix products. Customer service and material planners constantly must support these changing conditions.
• For low-volume products, material is purchased in smaller quantities, meaning increased activity and possible confusion around receiving orders of the same part number that may be from a different qualified supplier. They could be identical except for a particular obscure characteristic that must be checked out...... The government has hosted large US telecom corporations that are pushing to invest in Vietnam, with AT&T, Intel, Microsoft and Motorola all paying visits. According to the Ministry of Planning and Investment (MPI), the United States recently ranked 11th of the 75 countries and territories investing in Vietnam, with total registered capital of $1.3 billion, of which $730 million has been disbursed. However, that figure is expected to increase dramatically in the next few years, once industry leaders such as Intel become established. Since 2001, American investment in Vietnam has increased an average of 27.3% annually, while total foreign investment from all countries to Vietnam increased only 5.5% annually.[Your Bush tax cut dollars at work!! Whoever said tax cuts spurred investment might have a point, slight problem though, it is not being invested in the US!] Medical device manufacturing requires a skilled and stable workforce. In cities across Vietnam, educated workers already are living in close proximity to government-established industrial parks, making it unnecessary for companies to build dormitories or living campuses. This type of stability is unknown in China, making Vietnam a better long-term solution for low-volume, high-mix applications.
Recent reports from China of impending labor shortages across the board mean manufacturers continue to move inland to chase lower labor rates. Some experts predict increasing instability in China due to explosive growth and lack of mobility between lower paying, less desirable jobs and higher paying management positions.[Woopie the Corporations that move there won't even have to build slave living quarters to house the staff as the government already has that covered, and they get the added benefit of happy workers unlike in China were there is a growing discontent due to lack of upward mobility, well golly, the benefits just don't end.]
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Post by graybeard on Jan 3, 2009 21:08:44 GMT -6
I heard from a VC who visited 'Nam last year that the smog in Saigon (Ho Chi City) was so bad she couldn't breathe. Seems if you're building a clean-room factory, you would want to start with unpolluted air.
I wish the VC all the best, and the international corporations there the worst.
Vietnam is now the world's #2 coffee producer; taste the Agent Orange?
BTW, if you ever get a chance to watch the biography of Ho Chi Minh, do it. You'll be amazed at how stupid we were, and how evil the French were. I saw a half hour condensation of it on Hist chnl recently, and it left out important parts of the hour-long program I had seen before. For example, Ho lived in New York in 1913, and spent his life seeking Indo-China's independence. The French starved a million of them while exporting their rice in 1931.
GB
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Post by kramer on Jan 3, 2009 23:33:58 GMT -6
One of the engineers on this board should try to apply for the job, and find out how much they're paying. I tried to find out myself, but they won't provide any information on salary offered. It would be real interesting to find out how much they are offering. I happen to be a mixed-signal semiconductor product engineer. Too bad I my experience isn't with microprocessors.
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Post by waltc on Jan 7, 2009 12:22:42 GMT -6
Intel has been doing this since the mid '90's.
Also IMS there are a few websites run by former Intel employees that document that the terrible working conditions in their foreign plants.
As far as I'm concerned, Intel products are to be boycotted much like Microsofts. Though Microsoft is making it easier to boycott since their release of Vista which takes bloat and slowness to new levels undreamed.
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Post by Grapple on Jan 7, 2009 14:35:42 GMT -6
When I was growing up I was told that having a communist government in Vietnam was such a horrible thing that the US had to fight a war there to stop them
However now that the communists in Vietnam have opened themselves up and supply workers at 25 cents an hour then are now our buddies.
The same applies to China, when Mao kept out the corporations he was the enemy, now the communists let in the corporations they are our friend. And all the talk about democracy and freedom is forgotten
Which just shows that most of “our enemies” are our enemies because they won’t open themselves up to being the serf workers of the corporations or won’t supply raw materials at dirt cheap prices. As long as you open your country up to the globalist corporations and foundations then you are ok and the fact that your government is a dictatorship is ignored
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Post by db on Jan 7, 2009 21:03:37 GMT -6
Laws need to be imposed to stop this race to the bottom. But how can you create laws, to create a fair playing field; when the corporations buy off the government. The middle class is screwed, we live in a faux democracy. Capitalism will be saved at the expense of the middle class.
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Post by graybeard on Jan 7, 2009 22:05:03 GMT -6
Capitalism will fail along with the Middle Class. It will be replaced by Feudalism.
GB
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