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Post by graybeard on Jul 29, 2009 15:43:40 GMT -6
It was a treat last night watching Howard while Keith is on vacation. He showed Jon Stewart nailing Wm Krystol the night before.
Stewart got Krystol to say we give our veterans the very best medical care. Then Jon lowered the boom: VA care is Government Healthcare.
They said VA med is a quarter cheaper than private - and better. That includes all the TBI, Traumatic Brain Injury, cases, too.
Without a public option, this new plan is just more giveaway to the big campaign donors like Aetna, et al.
GB
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Post by waltc on Jul 30, 2009 1:23:10 GMT -6
Stewart got Krystol to say we give our veterans the very best medical care. Then Jon lowered the boom: VA care is Government Healthcare.
Hardly a boom, more like a half truth with a lie. The people with the best government health care are members of Congress and their families. They have access to levels of care that only rich conservatives like Krystol or liberals like Stewart in the private sector have plus its free.
And the VA, it sucked for decades prior to the Iraq war, it was known for hiring doctors who lost their license, performing botched operations and treating the vets like crap. Oh then there were nursing staff which included incompetents, ex-felons, thieves, and people who lied on their resumes, etc.
Generally it was a place vets went when they had no alternative for care and if you lived in a rural area, well you were SOL.
VA care only got better after Congress was forced to investigate the abuses and neglect of care at Walter Reed a few years back and refunded the organization, fired its top generals. Remember this is Walter Reed - the military's flagship hospital not some podunk VA clinic in WallaWalla.
There are still problems in the organization.
They said VA med is a quarter cheaper than private - and better. That includes all the TBI, Traumatic Brain Injury, cases, too.
And all you have to do to get it, is a horrific life changing injury in the ME - what a deal!! While any member of Congress and their family can get it for free any time they want and for the rest of their lives.
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Jul 30, 2009 10:56:13 GMT -6
Without a public option, this new plan is just more giveaway to the big campaign donors like Aetna, et al. GB Right you are, Graybeard. Health insurers are fighting the public option, while supporting every other principle--universal mandate, taxpayer subsidies paid to health insurers, freedom to disenroll expensive patients (by claiming their initial application was fraudulent), and vast new additions to current legislation to increase criminal prosecution of physicians for providing legitimate care that costs health insurers too much. As it is currently written, the House plan is nothing but a giant scam to enrich insurance companies at taxpayers expense--by intimidating doctors from providing care & by allowing the disenrollment of expensive patients by falsely claiming fraud. I highly recommend that members and guests read as much of the legislation as possible, and come to their own conclusions. I agree with former New England Journal of Medicine editor, Marcia Angell, M.D. Though she's an advocate of health care reform--and especially a public option--she says we need to start over. The bill has become a cornucopia of special interests--but excluding the 2 most important--patients & physicians.
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Post by graybeard on Jul 31, 2009 19:25:27 GMT -6
VA is proof that single payer (govt) healthcare can be efficient, effective and affordable. Sure it can, and has been, awful, but so can Kaiser and other private plans.
I'm hearing only good about the VA from a number of friends.
GB
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