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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Mar 22, 2010 1:23:40 GMT -6
It looks like the Health Care Bill passed the House.
It was helped by the issuance of an executive order by President George W. Obama, stating that no Federal money would be used for abortion.
Apparently this gave the Stupak group the cover they needed to vote "yes."
I sincerely hope the Dems get their asses handed to them in November. I never dreamed I'd be a member of a party (gang) of such cowardly, spineless, conniving, immoral slimeballs.
The Obamamessiah, and his silent allies in the health insurance racket and pharmaceutical cartel, got their wish--a mandate that forces 30 million more Americans to contribute to their already exorbitant profits.
What a great country we live in, where anyone with enough money can buy legislation and, by decree, force their profiteering scheme on the American People.
It's time to storm the Bastille.
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Post by nomad943 on Mar 22, 2010 8:26:01 GMT -6
... long past time
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Post by proletariat on Mar 22, 2010 18:25:21 GMT -6
Grr. Well the ban on pre-existing conditions only applies to those 19 and younger. WTF. And as we are finding out in WI allowing those under 26 to stay on parents insurance comes at a high federal tax cost.
Things were better when DC was under snow.
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Mar 22, 2010 18:51:25 GMT -6
They should have just started with a Medicare buy-in and nothing more, just like the bill Congressman Alan Grayson has submitted.
Then if necessary, Congress could have added rules and any subsidization they deemed appropriate--AFTER the patient-funded Medicare-for-all program was in effect.
A Medicare buy-in/Medicare-for-all plan would put immediate downward pressure on insurance premium prices. It would also pressure health insurers to provide at least the same level of care provided by Medicare-- or lose customers to the new plan.
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Post by nomad943 on Mar 23, 2010 7:43:07 GMT -6
Detail by Detail this thing is becoming public. I am hearing people wondering what all this student loan stuff is doing in there but the one that has me scratching my heads is the extension on the ban for manufacturing generic drug equivalants to 12 years. Any idea that anyone had about lowering the cost of healthcare ... foget them, dems have outlawed all such ideas ...
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Post by graybeard on Mar 23, 2010 7:46:27 GMT -6
Both parties are no blatantly beholden to the Corporates. The victory of Fascism is complete.
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Post by waltc on Mar 23, 2010 20:21:40 GMT -6
The more I look at the legislation the more I realize its about 'growing the government' and making it more intrusive and controlling of the populace.
What scares me above and beyond the legislation itself is the way it was passed. No public debate, review or input, just a bunch of nasty old crooks in backrooms working through the night and then signed into law by a long legged macdaddy with a bullhorn for a mouth.
This wasn't Democracy in action, it was the work of authoritarians who are doing as they please.
Expect more horrific legislation to be passed in this manner.
As to whether or not it blows up in the Democrats face and results in the states and people rebelling against the Feds depends on what comes next from Hellmouth(D.C.)
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Mar 24, 2010 1:03:32 GMT -6
According to Rachel Maddow today, there have been 4-5 acts of violence against Democratic Congress members since the bill's passage--especially bricks being thrown the windows of their offices.
12 State District Attorneys have reportedly filed Constitutional challenges to the bill, based on the illegality of the mandate.
The Democrats haven't just shot themselves in the foot with this one. They've shot themselves through the heart.
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Post by proletariat on Mar 24, 2010 13:54:50 GMT -6
Maybe not. Wasn't the individual mandate a Republican idea? Now, I don't really believe they're are smart enough, but wouldn't it be a sinister plan if only Republican ideas were declared unconstitutional.
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Post by waltc on Mar 24, 2010 21:01:00 GMT -6
The legislation was basically written by HMO's and Big Pharma, all Botox Nancy and Rigormortis Reid did was bribe the hell out of Congress to get it passed so it didn't look like a outright corporate edict.
At least the GOP wasn't insane enough to bring threats of violence against their party by what amounts to a illegal tax against the American people through illegal back room deals. We weren't even allowed to see the legislation and debate it. Folks know they got handed the short end of the stick.
Now we face pay-up(2.5% of your income) or get your wages/retirement funds garnished by the IRS or even face a $25,000.00 fine(which will happen if refuseniks are in sizable numbers).
Plus medicare recipients face cuts in service as Congress loots medicare to pay for Obamessiah's plan and doctors face rejecting medicare patients because of the very reimbursement rates and threats of jail time.
Then there are the states that are going apeshit over the change in eligibilty rules for medicaid - they can't afford new mandates whatsoever and here comes Obamamessiah and the liberal storm troopers ramming multi-billion dollar costs down their collective throats.
But it gets better between now and 2014 when the 'benefits' are enacted the HMO's are free to raise their rates to whatever the hell they want just like they did on credit card rates after Obie passed the credit card reform act.
Just wait until Cap'nTrade gets passed and our energy bills double or triple as a result and shuts down what's left of blue collar manufacturing.
When that happens the American people will probably just nullify Congress and the presidency along with a lot of liberals/environmentalists who will go the way of the Dodo.
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Post by graybeard on Mar 24, 2010 23:11:04 GMT -6
This bill got a lot more open debate than the Congressional authorization to invade Iraq. And the cost is far, far lower. I said at the time that Saddam was the most valuable man in the world, as we were about to spend over $300 Billion just to get him. I understimated by a $Trillion or two.
What's to stop OBama from writing signing statements to modify the bill? Bu$h did it hundreds of times.
GB
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Mar 25, 2010 1:32:11 GMT -6
This bill got a lot more open debate than the Congressional authorization to invade Iraq. And the cost is far, far lower.... The cost estimate and the deficit reductions from this bill are pure fiction. Just because the CBO says it reduces the deficit does not make it so. As of yet, there's NO mechanism described that will lower costs. In contrast, there are multiple factors that will put upward pressure on premium prices, such as the individual mandate (which will raise demand by coerced enrollment and premium payment by another 30 million Americans), as well as the massive taxpayer subsidizations paid to insurance companies on behalf of those with lesser incomes (the "affordability credits"). ______________ If Republicans were smart, and wanted to make some headway on the Democrats in the next election, they wouldn't campaign for an outright repeal. Instead, they'd campaign just for repeal of the individual mandate itself. In fact, what Republicans should be doing in the Senate right now, is submitting amendments to repeal the individual mandate. Repealing this massively propagandized bill would be dicey for an election campaign. In contrast, repealing just the coerced enrollment of Americans into the plan would be well-received by the electorate. None of us like to be told what to do by the government. Campaigning against this Government edict would be well-received by a lot of Americans--and by a majority in many Congressional districts.
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Post by waltc on Mar 25, 2010 11:00:58 GMT -6
This bill got a lot more open debate than the Congressional authorization to invade Iraq.
No it didn't, just a few dog and pony show town hall meetings which were given up quickly when the Donkeycrats realized they had no popular support for the legislation. The debates on TV were a joke.
Overall there was no more real public debate/input on this than there was on NAFTA or illegally declaring war against Iraq. Even today the American people have NO INPUT on our occupation of Iraq and war on the Afghanis - even with a Donkeycrat regime totally controlling the government.
As far as Congressional debate - there was none. The final legislation was created in backrooms by a handful of Democrats and HMO reps and was NOT DEBATED NOR WAS PUBLIC INPUT/REVIEW ALLOWED over the finished bill. Just a quicky vote so as to allow the preznit to sign it.
And the cost is far, far lower. Hmmm, take $500 billion from Medicare for older people right off the bat to help pay for it, cut medicare reimbursement rates to the point that doctors are not going to accept medicare patients.
Then there are increased and unfunded medicaid mandates that will cost the states billions they don't have.
And then the are the HMO fees paid by the people themselves which amount to a illegal national tax.
Yeah tell me more sweet lies.
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Mar 26, 2010 1:05:31 GMT -6
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