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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Feb 1, 2007 22:44:51 GMT -6
Are you seriously trying to say accounting jobs haven't been or aren't being outsourced? You haven't presented any proof it is. What would you call this? money.cnn.com/2003/12/30/pf/offshorejob/" CPA firms are just one example. In the 2002 tax year, accounting firms sent some 25,000 tax returns to be completed by accountants in India. This year, that number is expected to quadruple.
The reason lies in the numbers; accountants in the United States typically earn $4,000 a month. In places like India it's closer to $400, says David Wyle, CEO and founder of SurePrep, a tax-outsourcing firm based in southern California that's employed more than 200 accountants in Bombay and Ahmedabad, India.
"We've estimated firms will save between $40,000 to $50,000 for every 100 returns that are outsourced," adds Wyle, whose firm expects to do 35,000 returns in the coming year. That's up from 7,000 last year.
Xiptax, of Braintree, Mass., is another tax firm that's moved much work overseas for "a whole number of reasons," besides money, says CEO Mark Albrecht.
" It certainly looks to like someone is outsourcing accounting work to cheap foreign labor markets. And I think this is the kind of work some people refer to as "skilled."
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Post by blueneck on Feb 2, 2007 5:26:39 GMT -6
This is the smoke and mirrors part. what evidence do you have to support this?
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Post by LibSlayer on Feb 2, 2007 8:07:49 GMT -6
"What would you call this?" money.cnn.com/2003/12/30/pf/offshorejob/Nothing there about ACCOUNTING jobs being outsourced, only data entry jobs in accounting/tax. " It certainly looks to like someone is outsourcing accounting work to cheap foreign labor markets. And I think this is the kind of work some people refer to as "skilled." " "The real important part of returns isn't taking a number off a W-2 form and putting it in Box No. 1," notes Albrecht. "The real value is what's retained within the CPA firm -- the tax planning and the review." " money.cnn.com/2003/12/30/pf/offshorejob/No it is data entry, not accounting. I did it for one year and I had ZERO training at it, just entered the data into the computer.
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Post by LibSlayer on Feb 2, 2007 8:17:27 GMT -6
This is the smoke and mirrors part. what evidence do you have to support this? The fact that the majority of Americans are now information workers.
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Post by judes on Feb 2, 2007 16:41:13 GMT -6
Without manufacturing it goes nowhere. So I guess these companies are tiny and not going anywhere because they aren't involved in manufacturing? Microsoft ? Oracle? Yahoo? Google? Amazon? the 1000's of website design companies? the 100's of thousands of ecommerce websites? Computer Associates? Symantec? Adobe? SAP? Intuit? Autodesk? Red Hat? Nero? Ulead? Webroot? Bloomberg? Dice? Monster? CNET? eWeek? Are you serious? Microsoft has nothing at all to do with manufacturing?? I guess you don't own any hard copies of MS software? Who does it list as the manufacturer of this halfway down, left side of page under the heading "manufacturer"? And whoever said manufacturing is the only thing on the fast track to cheap foreign labor markets? I have consistently stated that the "information jobs" you speak of are some of the fastest and easiest jobs to export. Read here to see what your saviors at Microsoft and Google have been up to. Every company you listed are prime canidates for outsourcing their jobs to cheap foreign labor markets. I seriously hope those are not the companies you are banking on for giving stable and sustainable employment to US workers.
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Post by judes on Feb 2, 2007 16:55:56 GMT -6
ps. I am genuinly interested to know what your friend with a math degree is doing for a living?
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Feb 2, 2007 17:38:18 GMT -6
So I guess these companies are tiny and not going anywhere because they aren't involved in manufacturing? Microsoft ? Oracle? Yahoo? Google? Amazon? the 1000's of website design companies? the 100's of thousands of ecommerce websites? Computer Associates? Symantec? Adobe? SAP? Intuit? Autodesk? Red Hat? Nero? Ulead? Webroot? Bloomberg? Dice? Monster? CNET? eWeek? Are you serious? Microsoft has nothing at all to do with manufacturing?? I guess you don't own any hard copies of MS software? Who does it list as the manufacturer of this halfway down, left side of page under the heading "manufacturer"? The Microsoft reference was hard to believe. Has Bill Gates become a banker? A stockbroker? A defense contractor?
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Post by judes on Feb 2, 2007 17:59:03 GMT -6
Yeah, the other one in his list that sticks out, and I have to laugh at is SAP. That's what me and a couple of coworkers spent the last two weeks training our Mexican replacements on, and we are supposed to do the same thing in China next month.
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Post by blueneck on Feb 2, 2007 19:56:52 GMT -6
Some of these folks have operations in China, Microsoft packages a lot of their software products overseas. And what about google and Yahoos caving to the Chinese governemnt on domestic spying of internet usage? And in semicon, there is only a shell of that industry left in the US, the rest is in Singapore, Taiwan and Thailand - isn't that a so called "High tech" industry?
Our Liberal friend will cry anecdote here, because it is, so what, but it is also a very real example and just one of many companies with similar stories.
Just up the road from me is a double building five floor office complex. It once housed a major insurance company's claims processing, IT, accounting, and call center. Over 800 people worked there. In the morning folks had to get there early or risk not getting a parking spot. About 4 years ago they started outsourcing it bit by bit to Pakistan. These were white collar jobs mind you. Now all thats left is about 25 folks that coordinate the Pakistany efforts that occupies just a corner of one floor of one building. The rest has been sitting vacant for over 2 years. it is a nice modern building complex, yet nothing is coming to fill it up again.
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Post by LibSlayer on Feb 3, 2007 10:26:24 GMT -6
"Some of these folks have operations in China, Microsoft packages a lot of their software products overseas. And what about google and Yahoos caving to the Chinese governemnt on domestic spying of internet usage? And in semicon, there is only a shell of that industry left in the US, the rest is in Singapore, Taiwan and Thailand - isn't that a so called "High tech" industry?"
Again, what MANUFACTURING are these companies involved with?
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Post by LibSlayer on Feb 3, 2007 10:27:57 GMT -6
"Are you serious? Microsoft has nothing at all to do with manufacturing?? I guess you don't own any hard copies of MS software?"
Microsoft isn't involved in manufacturing, they don't sell CD's/DVD's, they sell software.
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Post by LibSlayer on Feb 3, 2007 10:32:28 GMT -6
"The Microsoft reference was hard to believe. Has Bill Gates become a banker? A stockbroker? A defense contractor? "
He sells DING DING DING ---- INFORMATION, that is all software is.
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Post by LibSlayer on Feb 3, 2007 10:33:20 GMT -6
Yeah, the other one in his list that sticks out, and I have to laugh at is SAP. That's what me and a couple of coworkers spent the last two weeks training our Mexican replacements on, and we are supposed to do the same thing in China next month. Which has WHAT to do with SAP having nothing to do with manufacturing?
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Post by judes on Feb 3, 2007 11:10:41 GMT -6
Yeah, the other one in his list that sticks out, and I have to laugh at is SAP. That's what me and a couple of coworkers spent the last two weeks training our Mexican replacements on, and we are supposed to do the same thing in China next month. Which has WHAT to do with SAP having nothing to do with manufacturing? I am finding it harder and harder to take you serious. Did you see the link to "Xbot"? Microsoft and the other software developers you listed are tied to manufacturing, in that most software is stored on some type of medium that requires manufacturing, processing and packaging. Your claim was that the US is evolving into the information age and that this is what US workers will be doing once manufacturing is gone. All the jobs and companies you listed as being information jobs have been, and are being outsourced rapidly. I have lived it, I have seen it, information jobs are the easiest to outsource and can be done for a fraction of the cost in cheap labor markets. The other absurd thing about you listing SAP as being one of the information companies to carry the US into the "information" evolution is that they are not even a US company, it is a German company.
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Post by LibSlayer on Feb 3, 2007 11:29:10 GMT -6
"I am finding it harder and harder to take you serious. Did you see the link to "Xbot"? Microsoft and the other software developers you listed are tied to manufacturing, in that most software is stored on some type of medium that requires manufacturing, processing and packaging. .[/quote]
AGAIN, Microsoft is NOT involved in manufacturing, that they buy the manufactured goods that they put what they are selling on doesn't change that fact.
Second, they aren't selling the disks, they disks are worth a few pennies, Microsoft's business is what is ON those disks/chips, the whole company is based on what is ON manufactured goods, not the manufactured goods themselves.
The valuable part, that which Microsoft sells is the INFORMATION on the disks/chips.
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Post by LibSlayer on Feb 3, 2007 11:32:37 GMT -6
" All the jobs and companies you listed as being information jobs have been, and are being outsourced rapidly. "
No they are not, the companies I have listed have increased their domestic employement even during the height of outsourcing in the 90's.
"The other absurd thing about you listing SAP as being one of the information companies to carry the US into the "information" evolution is that they are not even a US company, it is a German company."
Europe is ALSO moving into the information age behind the US. The low wage low skilled manufacturing jobs are being replaced with automation, and information companies, SAP is one, is prospering and hiring and they have nothing to do with manufacturing.
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Post by judes on Feb 3, 2007 12:29:48 GMT -6
AGAIN, Microsoft is NOT involved in manufacturing, that they buy the manufactured goods that they put what they are selling on doesn't change that fact. Second, they aren't selling the disks, they disks are worth a few pennies, Microsoft's business is what is ON those disks/chips, the whole company is based on what is ON manufactured goods, not the manufactured goods themselves. The valuable part, that which Microsoft sells is the INFORMATION on the disks/chips. Talk about ironic, just as I was reading this post of yours I was watching CNN and they were talking about Micro Soft Vista. In the background they were showing the assembly line with the Vista disks and cases coming down the line and being assembled by several workers on the line. Clearly there is a "tie" to manufacturing. And yes, information jobs are rapidly being offshored, I am in the process of this personally. You saying it's not happening doesn't change the fact that it is happening.
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Post by LibSlayer on Feb 3, 2007 12:57:11 GMT -6
"Talk about ironic, just as I was reading this post of yours I was watching CNN and they were talking about Micro Soft Vista. In the background they were showing the assembly line with the Vista disks and cases coming down the line and being assembled by several workers on the line. Clearly there is a "tie" to manufacturing.
Didn't say anything about there not being a tie, I said Microsoft has nothing to do with manufacturing.
My post, and list of those companies, was to refute the claim that the US economy is nothing without its manufacturing base. Those companies and 1000's like them have nothing to do with manufacturing yet they grow, prosper and employ millions of Americans.
Far more Americans are employed as information workers than in manufacturing. The # in manuf are shrinking, the number in information jobs is increasing. Yet the US economy continues to grow, the number employed continues to increase, the wages continues to increase yet the manuf base is shrinking.
The evidence proves the manufacturing base simply isn't needed for the US economy to grow and prosper.
"And yes, information jobs are rapidly being offshored, I am in the process of this personally. "
The simple fact is that it isn't the low level, low skill jobs are the ones that are being oursourced. For your accounting example they weren't accounting jobs being outsourced they were data entry jobs being outsourced, not the accounting information workers that was still being done in house.
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Post by judes on Feb 3, 2007 15:06:20 GMT -6
Didn't say anything about there not being a tie, I said Microsoft has nothing to do with manufacturing. And you were clearly wrong, because they depend on manufacturing for processing and distributing their software products, and not to mention (again) Xbot. My post, and list of those companies, was to refute the claim that the US economy is nothing without its manufacturing base. Those companies and 1000's like them have nothing to do with manufacturing yet they grow, prosper and employ millions of Americans. But all the jobs you listed are on a fast track to a cheaper foreign labor market. If we are becoming anything, it would be a service economy, NOT an information economy. Information jobs as you define them have been and are being rapidly outsourced. Far more Americans are employed as information workers than in manufacturing. The # in manuf are shrinking, the number in information jobs is increasing. Yet the US economy continues to grow, the number employed continues to increase, the wages continues to increase yet the manuf base is shrinking. More Americans are employed in the service sector. The evidence proves the manufacturing base simply isn't needed for the US economy to grow and prosper. Quite the contrary. Good paying manufacturing jobs are being replaced by lower paying service jobs. The simple fact is that it isn't the low level, low skill jobs are the ones that are being oursourced. For your accounting example they weren't accounting jobs being outsourced they were data entry jobs being outsourced, not the accounting information workers that was still being done in house. Do CPAs process and prepare tax returns? If those tax returns are being processed in the Phillipines or India then the jobs of CPAs are being outsourced. What is an accountant then if they are not the ones that prepare tax returns? CPAs are only collectors of information, and the final signers? Preparing tax returns is not the work of a CPA? How about this"Hawaiian Airlines is planning to move most of its reservation call center operations to the Philippines, and its information technology and accounting jobs to India to reduce costs. " This is just one small sample of thousands of results that a google search of "outsourcing of accounting jobs" yields. There is no denying the facts that acconting jobs are being outsourced. Even the biggest proponents in your camp don't deny it's happening, they just resort to the rhetoric of it being good for us. But you closing your eyes to the fact that information jobs are being outsourced is simply absurd. You really need to do some research if you are banking on the information revolution to keep our economy going. "Software engineers and information technology workers have been especially hard hit. Jobs offshoring, which began with call centers and back-office operations, is rapidly moving up the value chain. Business Week's Michael Mandel4 compared starting salaries in 2005 with those in 2001. He found a 12.7 per cent decline in computer science pay, a 12 per cent decline in computer engineering pay, and a 10.2 per cent decline in electrical engineering pay. Marketing salaries experienced a 6.5 per cent decline, and business administration salaries fell 5.7 per cent. Despite a make-work law for accountants known by the names of its congressional sponsors, Sarbanes-Oxley, even accounting majors, were offered 2.3 per cent less. "The BLS payroll jobs data contradict the hype from business organizations, such as the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, that offshore outsourcing is good for America. Large corporations, which have individually dismissed thousands of their U.S. employees and replaced them with foreigners, claim that jobs outsourcing allows them to save money that can be used to hire more Americans. The corporations and the business organizations are very successful in placing this disinformation in the media. The lie is repeated everywhere and has become a mantra among no-think economists and politicians. However, no sign of these jobs can be found in the payroll jobs data. But there is abundant evidence of the lost American jobs." "During the past five years (January 01 - January 06), the information sector of the U.S. economy lost 644,000 jobs, or 17.4 per cent of its work force. Computer systems design and related work lost 105,000 jobs, or 8.5 per cent of its work force. Clearly, jobs offshoring is not creating jobs in computers and information technology. Indeed, jobs offshoring is not even creating jobs in related fields." "For the five-year period, U.S. job growth was limited to four areas: education and health services, state and local government, leisure and hospitality, and financial services. There was no U.S. job growth outside these four areas of domestic nontradable services." "Oracle, for example, which has been handing out thousands of pink slips, has recently announced two thousand more jobs being moved to India.8 How is Oracle's move of U.S. jobs to India creating American jobs in nontradable services such as waitresses and bartenders, hospital orderlies, state and local government, and credit agencies?" I especially can relate to this bit: "Engineering jobs in general are in decline, because the manufacturing sectors that employ engineers are in decline. During the last five years, the U.S. work force lost 1.2 million jobs in the manufacture of machinery, computers, electronics, semiconductors, communication equipment, electrical equipment, motor vehicles, and transportation equipment. The BLS payroll jobs numbers show a total of 69,000 jobs created in all fields of architecture and engineering, including clerical personnel, over the past five years. That comes to a mere 14,000 jobs per year (including clerical workers). What is the annual graduating class in engineering and architecture? How is there a shortage of engineers when more graduate than can be employed?" Read the rest of the article for more insight.
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Post by LibSlayer on Feb 3, 2007 15:13:59 GMT -6
"And you were clearly wrong, because they depend on manufacturing for processing and distributing their software products, and not to mention (again) Xbot." Our economy isn't doing the manufacturing, it is being done overseas. So our economy does not depend on its manufacturing base to grow and prosper as the manufacturing isn't being done here. "But all the jobs you listed are on a fast track to a cheaper foreign labor market. " You are just quite simply wrong, companies need the expertise in house, far too many of them must be done locally. The information sector, of which the service sector is a part of. Legal is a service, it is also an information sector. "Quite the contrary. Good paying manufacturing jobs are being replaced by lower paying service jobs. " If that were true then wages would be going down, they have steadily been going UP. The simple fact is that it isn't the low level, low skill jobs are the ones that are being oursourced. For your accounting example they weren't accounting jobs being outsourced they were data entry jobs being outsourced, not the accounting information workers that was still being done in house. "Do CPAs process and prepare tax returns?" They do the analysis, low skill workers do the data entry. I worked at a small tax and accounting business, I did the data entry with ZERO training. All of the analysis was done by those with the skill. My job could easily be done overseas, the analysis won't be, people want it done in house.
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Feb 3, 2007 17:38:38 GMT -6
But all the jobs you listed are on a fast track to a cheaper foreign labor market. You are just quite simply wrong, companies need the expertise in house, far too many of them must be done locally. No, Libslayer you are quite simply "wrong." Accounting jobs are being done overseas. Add to that readings of medical imaging studies by foreign M.D.s in foreign countries. Few would claim this is an "unskilled" job. from Judes: "Quite the contrary. Good paying manufacturing jobs are being replaced by lower paying service jobs. " If that were true then wages would be going down, they have steadily been going UP. Wrong again. Wages are not "steadily going up." According to the BLS, [url=http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?&series_id=CES0500000049 ]real wages[/url] were "steadily" declining from December 2002 through May of 2006. They've only starting rising since May of 2006. And that rise stopped in November, as December real hourly wages were less than November's. In fact, December 2006's real hourly wage was less than 1% greater than that in December 2002. So much for the steady wage increase myth. The simple fact is that it isn't the low level, low skill jobs are the ones that are being oursourced. No, it isn't just low-skilled jobs. It's the high level Radiologist, computer engineering, and accounting jobs that are being outsourced. And high level steel fabrication and welding jobs that are being outsourced as well. (Remember, like the case you've cited twice about the welder who went to school for 9 months just to qualify for a $16-19/hour job.) The latter are the kind of high-pay, skilled jobs that used to pay American workers more than the average wage for American jobs. And almost all of these jobs have left the country, since Corporate America can find cheaper labor elsewhere, and since all limits on American investment in foreign countries have been removed, allowing Corporate America to substitute cheap foreign labor for American labor, while maintaining it's sales market among the very country and the with the very people it has betrayed.
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Post by LibSlayer on Feb 3, 2007 18:56:56 GMT -6
“No, Libslayer you are quite simply "wrong." Accounting jobs are being done overseas. “
Prove it.
“Wrong again. Wages are not steadily going up.”
There is absolutely no doubt that nominal wages ARE going up. Real wage are irrelevant to this discussion.
“No, it isn't just low-skilled jobs. It's the high level Radiologist, computer engineering, and accounting jobs that are being outsourced. And high level steel fabrication and welding jobs that are being outsourced as well. (Remember, like the case you've cited twice about the welder who went to school for 9 months just to qualify for a $16-19/hour job.) The latter are the kind of high-pay, skilled jobs that used to pay American workers more than the average wage for American jobs. And almost all of these jobs have left the country, since Corporate America can find cheaper labor elsewhere, and since all limits on American investment in foreign countries have been removed, allowing Corporate America to substitute cheap foreign labor for American labor, while maintaining it's sales market among the very country and the with the very people it has betrayed. “
I am still waiting for somebody to prove this claim that you people keep making.
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Feb 4, 2007 17:16:20 GMT -6
I am still waiting for somebody to prove this claim that you people keep making. It's already been proven conclusively. There are over 3 million less manufacturing jobs than when Bush 1st took office. Many of those were skilled jobs. All of those 3 million workers are still available for employment. Companies simply don't want to pay enough to hire them. In Northern California alone, over 300,000 high-skilled computer technology jobs were lost under Bush. All of those workers are still available for employment. There simply aren't enough employers willing to pay enough to hire them. American labor, both skilled and unskilled, is in huge surplus. In contrast, there is a shortage of employers willing to pay the "free-market" rate for labor. There is a shortage of employers willing to pay enough to hire any of this surplus of skilled and unskilled labor. However, there is no shortage of whining employers who'd rather spend their exorbitant profits on lobbying Congress for more handouts, rather than paying American workers the "free-market" rate for labor. Corporate America really hates free markets, though they spend huge amounts of money claiming otherwise.
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Post by LibSlayer on Feb 5, 2007 13:21:23 GMT -6
"It's already been proven conclusively. There are over 3 million less manufacturing jobs than when Bush 1st took office. Many of those were skilled jobs. All of those 3 million workers are still available for employment. Companies simply don't want to pay enough to hire them. " "economists Richard Deitz and James Orr at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, employment in high-skilled manufacturing jobs rose 37%, or by 1.2 million jobs, from 1983 to 2002. At the same time, low-skilled factory jobs dropped 25%, or by approximately 2 million workers" www.usatoday.com/money/economy/employment/2006-12-05-skilled-workers-shortage_x.htm
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Feb 5, 2007 14:42:27 GMT -6
from your article: " There were 10.2 million manufacturing production workers in the USA in October, down 19% from 10 years " Where did those 2 million former manufacturing workers go? Wouldn't most of them be available for work? Or were they all abducted by aliens? And if Bunner can't "find" any, I can give him some suggestions about where to look. He could search in Baltimore, where 100,000 manufacturing jobs (not workers ) disappeared between 1950 and 1995. Certainly many of those workers are still available. In fact, he could search in any city where Bethlehem Steel had plants, since Bethlehem is now bankrupt, putting all of its production employees out of work. If he needs skilled aluminum workers, he could look anywhere Kaiser used to operate, since their last scumbag CEO declared bankruptcy after picking the pockets of all the employees, costing all production workers their jobs. (Spokane, Washington, is one such place he might look.) Or he could continue to piss & moan and try to get Congress to let him import cheap foreign labor, instead of hiring any of the millions of readily available American manufacturing workers. I suspect he'll take the latter option, since his only real problem is finding "skilled" workers who'll work for "unskilled" worker wages.
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Post by LibSlayer on Feb 5, 2007 15:41:30 GMT -6
Where did those 2 million former manufacturing workers go? Wouldn't most of them be available for work? Or were they all abducted by aliens?</quote] Moved on to other industries, I have numerous IT training classes with both students and instructors who were from a variety of fields, lost their jobs and got into IT. One of the instructors was a short-order cook before he got into IT in the late 90's.
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Post by unlawflcombatnt on Feb 5, 2007 16:51:17 GMT -6
Where did those 2 million former manufacturing workers go? Wouldn't most of them be available for work? Or were they all abducted by aliens?</quote] Moved on to other industries, I have numerous IT training classes with both students and instructors who were from a variety of fields, lost their jobs and got into IT.... And this perfectly proves my point. Those former manufacturing workers, who are now doing IT work, are still available to do manufacturing work for a high enough wage. The only "shortage," as I've previously stated, is a shortage of employers willing to pay enough to hire the previously-employed manufacturing workers. Again, that's the problem-- an abundance of high-skilled former manufacturing workers, and a "shortage" of employers willing to pay enough to hire them. And an underlying hatred of the "free market" by Right-Wingers. The way free markets work is this. If the supply of an item is insufficient at a given price offered, you offer a higher price to obtain the necessary supply. Offer a higher price (wage) to former manufacturing workers, and you'll have plenty of workers willing to work. You Right-Wingers just hate free markets, don't you.
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Post by LibSlayer on Feb 6, 2007 15:20:15 GMT -6
{ quote author=admin board=globalization thread=1170232145 post=1170708147] And this perfectly proves my point. Those former manufacturing workers, who are now doing IT work, are still available to do manufacturing work for a high enough wage. The only "shortage," as I've previously stated, is a shortage of employers willing to pay enough to hire the previously-employed manufacturing workers. Again, that's the problem-- an abundance of high-skilled former manufacturing workers, and a "shortage" of employers willing to pay enough to hire them. And an underlying hatred of the "free market" by Right-Wingers. The way free markets work is this. If the supply of an item is insufficient at a given price offered, you offer a higher price to obtain the necessary supply. Offer a higher price (wage) to former manufacturing workers, and you'll have plenty of workers willing to work. You Right-Wingers just hate free markets, don't you. There IS no abundance of high skilled former manufacturing workers, the skilled manufacturing workers are STILL working in manufacturing, it is all the UNSKILLED manufacturing workers that have lost their jobs and moved into other fields. Just as in the 90’s when there was shortage of IT people salaries went up, and this attracted people into the field, the same is happening with skilled manufacturing.
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Post by ig on Feb 6, 2007 15:29:11 GMT -6
This statement just proves how naive and misinformed you really are It proves just how informed I am, the US is moving into the Information Age and trying to hold us back in the Industrial Age is detrimental to the welfare of the country. capital has no loyalty to country. It has nothing to do with moving the US into the "Information Age" At the present time we just offer the most politically stable and capital friendly to base capx operations from.
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Post by LibSlayer on Feb 6, 2007 15:38:13 GMT -6
" At the present time we just offer the most politically stable and capital friendly to base capx operations from. "
Agreed, there the US has an absolute advantage, and there is no country that looks like it will take that advantage away from the US.
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