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Post by jacquelope on Apr 18, 2011 2:02:53 GMT -6
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Post by jacquelope on Apr 18, 2011 1:59:35 GMT -6
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Post by jacquelope on Apr 16, 2011 13:04:37 GMT -6
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Post by jacquelope on Apr 15, 2011 15:56:46 GMT -6
I sometimes wonder if some foreign entity planted a nuclear weapon in a US city and blackmailed the US into forcing their markets open. Actually, China did threaten to nuke us. Financially, that is.
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Post by jacquelope on Apr 13, 2011 10:45:33 GMT -6
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Post by jacquelope on Apr 11, 2011 22:36:09 GMT -6
Yes. Ask any free traitor just what those new jobs, new industries, new products, new technologies the workers have been reallocated to. they can't answer it. The high tech jobs that were supposed to replace the jobs lost to outsourcing never materialized. in fact these sorts of jobs because they are typically higher skilled and therefore would command a higher wage are precisely the sorts of jobs that are targets for outsourcing - computers, electronics, hi tech machining, medical devices, aerospace components and so forth Been asking that question, too. They can never answer that.
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Post by jacquelope on Apr 11, 2011 11:31:40 GMT -6
It's not true precisely because the nation is NOT allocating its workers to producing something more valuable.
Have you guys ever heard of the Straight Dope forum? I explained this to them. They're so stupid they couldn't even understand it.
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Post by jacquelope on Apr 4, 2011 21:23:26 GMT -6
Fine, then for funding we talk to the union boys.
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Post by jacquelope on Apr 4, 2011 7:40:30 GMT -6
How about we start outlawing offshoring of jobs when it comes to state contracts and stuff?
We can push for initiatives in places like California where we drummed out two big spending Republican candidates by (among other things) pointing out that they're big time offshorers.
It would be lickety split easy to get enough signatures in California for such an initiative, and once it goes on the ballot the Koch Brothers and their ilk cannot bribe politicians to fight the law. India, with all their diplomats and lobbying money, could not beat us here. They would have to take their case to We the People and they're going to experience the joy of, and I am not overstating this, getting their rear ends torn off and handed back to them in a Chinese takeout bag when they try to go to the airwaves against this initiative. We here in California hate offshoring with a passion.
Politicians would never be able to override an initiative. The Koch Brothers would be powerless at this point.
California can follow Ohio's lead and take things further than they did. We could fire the shot that would be heard around the WORLD and inspire other states to follow suit.
It might even be what sparks a new anti-globalism party.
How do we get this started?
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Post by jacquelope on Apr 3, 2011 22:21:07 GMT -6
Hey that's an interesting take. I doubt that this is just a phase or that protectionism will lose popularity in America but the corporations could at least try to delay the inevitable.
Of course if we keep going with these big trade deficits with the way it's adding to our debt, it won't even matter what the pro-free traitors do, the dollar will collapse and offshoring will become impossible.
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Post by jacquelope on Mar 31, 2011 18:00:22 GMT -6
Another part of the depression and ag products the free traitors conveniently ignore is the severe and prolonged drought in the plains and midwest known as the "dust bowl" this had a far more profound effect on ag production and exports than anything else the collapse of commodity prices after 1929 forced farmers to cut costs using unsustainable farming practices. the drought made the situation even worse. workers were displaced, buying power lost, wages depressed. smoot hawley had nothing to do with this Hey do you mind if I quote you on another forum?
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Post by jacquelope on Mar 31, 2011 2:20:04 GMT -6
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Post by jacquelope on Mar 28, 2011 17:55:27 GMT -6
It's good to see more people and organizations advocating Tariffs. The idea of graded Tariffs is also good. But the authors' suggested level of Tariffs is too low to put a real dent in our trade deficit. Hmmmm. Good points, especially on the effect of a tepid 36% duty. Still, considering the American Thinker's track record, this is an interesting shift in their point of view... or what they will allow to be published under their name. It's not just Obama (sadly otherwise known as the Spineless One). Our primary enemy is the US Chamber of Commerce. The Democrats actually passed an anti-offshoring law in 2010 but the Republicans blocked it in the Senate. When it comes to offshoring, the Republicans are truly screwing us big time. Governor Schwarzenegger, a Republican, screwed us right here in California when we had some anti-offshoring bills put to his desk by Democrats. This is odd since the Sept 2010 WSJ poll showed slightly more Republicans than Democrats oppose offshoring. So why are Republican politicians fighting anti-offshoring laws tooth and nail, while it's the Democrats who are actually passing tariff laws? Also, I am always in favor of educating Americans to go further up the work force value chain. However, I also believe that education is useless when you've got people getting the same education overseas and offering to do the same work for less.
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Post by jacquelope on Mar 28, 2011 1:19:20 GMT -6
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Post by jacquelope on Mar 28, 2011 0:10:01 GMT -6
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Post by jacquelope on Mar 27, 2011 23:53:51 GMT -6
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Post by jacquelope on Mar 27, 2011 12:47:35 GMT -6
Well on the plus side we're shitting out lawyers and MBA's like there is no tomorrow. Who knows, in time they'll become our primary export Our primary export will always be jobs.
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Post by jacquelope on Mar 27, 2011 12:39:59 GMT -6
Heh, the Brits couldn't even break the windows of the banks. Those at 10 Downing Street were probably amused at the show. Some protest. They'd be better off hunting down the family members of the banking/investment class and start breaking bones, lots of'em. It's sure nice to know there's a forum where you can discuss such things. The French went on a CEO kidnapping spree. It's about time the working class got out the guillotines. Worldwide.
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Post by jacquelope on Mar 26, 2011 18:03:44 GMT -6
Totally right.
I am a fan of higher education, both liberal arts and the sciences, and vocational training. People need this in order to be competitive. Education and re-training is always valuable. Think horse & cart to car.
But the horse & cart to car situation is a FAR CRY from what we're dealing with now. It's not about who moved the cheese, or the changing of the color of the cheese. It's the fact that there is less cheese now than there was before.
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Post by jacquelope on Mar 21, 2011 22:33:52 GMT -6
I say that if he was really serious he would advise us to grow apple trees. In his scenario apples would become ungodly expensive to buy - and ungodly profitable for you if you have a tree. stansberrymedia.s3.amazonaws.com/PSI/EOA/01.22-EOA_Scribble.flvEdited to add: I'm talking about his premise, not interested in what he's selling. Also: found the video link without the encumberance of his spam website.
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Post by jacquelope on Mar 21, 2011 20:04:16 GMT -6
You are also correct that manufacturing accounts for over 70% of the R&D invetment. "New" technology and innovation accounts for only a small portion of this. most innovation as you say comes from the factory floor, as engineers constantly improve upon designs and processes. It is in the continuous improvement of and reaplication of existing technologies from which most new innovations come Innovation and echnology gains go hand in hand with manufacturing, neither can exist in any meanigful way without the other. as one offshores productive capacity, the capacity to innovate follows Wow, I've always felt that this was true in my cursory examination of manufacturing, but it's nice to see an in-depth explanation of why. My instincts on this hasn't failed me yet...
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Post by jacquelope on Mar 21, 2011 12:28:28 GMT -6
New political party is about the only way short of armed rebellion. Blockading Long Beach harbor will be another variant of John Brown's last stand. Lots of people shot dead by the LAPD and FBI agents. Most people have zero idea how vindictive the Feds can be should you get on their bad side. I, for one, am fully aware of how vindictive the Feds and the US Justice Dept. are. I've been the victim of their unwarranted and wrongful prosecution--including being indicted and tried on completely fabricated charges. Fortunately, I was one of those rare 5% who actually beat Federal charges after being indicted. (95% of those indicted on Federal charges are convicted or plead guilty.) Congratulations. How did you beat them?
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Post by jacquelope on Mar 20, 2011 19:34:44 GMT -6
Some martial arts work by using the opponent's own strength against him. Imagine something like if there were credible rumors of hidden dangerous goods about to arrive at our ports. There already are hidden dangerous goods... Chinese poisonous crap. Hey unlawflcombatnt... A blockade of the ports is starting to sound outright desirable... what website can the longshoremen be found at?
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Post by jacquelope on Mar 20, 2011 15:14:18 GMT -6
Waltc: hey, that idea could work. Also: Until then we need to start mass calling our reps and demonstrate like the Union folks in Wisconsin. Demonstrating is for chumps and street performers. True, for the most part. But those guys in Wisconsin are hardly chumps and street performers. They've launched one hell of a movement. It's all about numbers, visibility and location, location, location. A massive demonstration that even threatens to block the Long Beach docks will be impossible for the MSM to ignore. An outright blockade in that area could totally paralyze the WORLD: merely PROTESTING in that area, with a sufficient number of people, will scare the holy bejeezus out of the entire planet. The. Entire. Planet.
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Post by jacquelope on Mar 20, 2011 3:00:39 GMT -6
Who do we need to network with? The AFL-CIO and unions. Teamsters and longshoreman unions (if there are any left.) First we start with protesting at the docks. If we can get the media to pay attention, which is a tough task, then we can probably get the longshoremen to *ahem* help out
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Post by jacquelope on Mar 19, 2011 22:10:49 GMT -6
do we take action? Has anyone seen the September 28 WSJ poll on outsourcing? You guys are FAR from alone out there. About EIGHTY SIX PERCENT of Americans agree with you. We've got to start finding ways to reach them. Do an Egypt-like protest/demonstration/riot at the ports of entry. Keep the ships from China from unloading at the ports of Long Beach/Los Angeles. Get the longshoreman to stop unloading Chinese imports. Better still, have a real "tea party" and get 'em to dump Chinese imports into the ocean. Politicians certainly aren't listening to the words of their constituents. Maybe they'll pay more attention to actions. Oh, hell. How do we organize this? I'll be there with bells on. Or however the statement goes. I'm tired of complaining. I'm tired of the asshats on other forums who won't listen to reason about this. (StraightDope.com, *ahem*) I'm ready to help out in showing the world that America is tired of this and we're willing to fight back. Who do we need to network with?
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Post by jacquelope on Mar 19, 2011 18:21:22 GMT -6
Until then we need to start mass calling our reps and demonstrate like the Union folks in Wisconsin.
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Post by jacquelope on Mar 19, 2011 9:12:34 GMT -6
You know, I'm open for... alternative ways to stop Mexican trucks from going around in the U.S....
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Post by jacquelope on Mar 19, 2011 8:46:38 GMT -6
do we take action?
Has anyone seen the September 28 WSJ poll on outsourcing? You guys are FAR from alone out there. About EIGHTY SIX PERCENT of Americans agree with you.
We've got to start finding ways to reach them.
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Post by jacquelope on Mar 19, 2011 8:42:05 GMT -6
What happened to all the laid off high-skilled workers? Were they abducted by aliens? I fell right out of my chair laughing at that one. Thanks!
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