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Post by jacquelope on May 18, 2011 1:13:29 GMT -6
I agree with Fletcher on currency manipulation. But not on IP theft. As far as intellectual property theft goes, American Corporate multinationals got exactly what they deserved. They set up shop in China to take advantage of cheaper Chinese labor, and now they're paying the price for being traitorous un-American sleazebags. I'm tickled to death that pseudo-American outsourcers had their "intellectual property" stolen. They got exactly what they deserved for abandoning American workers. I blame both sides. The stupid unpatriotic Americans and the treacherous Chinese. If they want to trade with us then they have to pay for the IP theft. Leave the "American" corporations to us, we've got this.
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Post by jacquelope on May 16, 2011 0:38:01 GMT -6
I like to call it a "Food Chain" issue - break one link in the chain and it all falls apart.
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Post by jacquelope on May 11, 2011 7:26:45 GMT -6
Yeah I must have started seeing Krugman during his "after the change" years, because it seems to me that he understands the damage being done by offshoring. Yes, I think Krugman has finally seen the light--i.e., that his own country is going down the toilet from jobs being shipped overseas. As long as the sinner remains a reformed sinner he's okay by me. I used to drink the free market kool-aid myself.
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Post by jacquelope on May 10, 2011 19:59:41 GMT -6
Blueneck wrote: my question back to these bozos who push this garbage is why is it the middle and working class of america's responsibility to build up the workers of another country? why should I sacrifice my hard work, education for someone else in another country? hy should we sacrifice the wealth, innovation, infrasturcture build up by the hard work of our fathers and granfaters? sound like socialism to me, on a global scale.
No, it's destruction of the country. You have no idea of the enmity that some here in this country have towards the people here. Paul Krugman(the beard of knowing) and his Lefty friends were big promoters of this notion for many years. Recently he reversed himself. He's smart enough to understand that the further we progress down this road the further chances of some sort of violent uprising where his ilk will be slaughtered like fattened hogs. Yeah I must have started seeing Krugman during his "after the change" years, because it seems to me that he understands the damage being done by offshoring.
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Post by jacquelope on May 10, 2011 19:57:00 GMT -6
My reply would be this: Offshoring of American manufacturing did indeed result in lower costs of some consumer goods(like electronics). But at the same it reduced the ability to purchase said goods to a large extent due to loss of well paying jobs that were off-shored(real wage). This decline was only off-set by various bubbles created on Wall Street - credit card, mortgage and Dot. Com bubbles created a large amount of temporary and artificial wealth among middle and working class Americans to keep the illusion going. That place is a complete den of pro-offshoring madness. Care to come over and enjoy some rhetorical target practice?
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Post by jacquelope on May 10, 2011 9:45:39 GMT -6
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Post by jacquelope on May 10, 2011 9:41:07 GMT -6
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Post by jacquelope on May 10, 2011 5:18:55 GMT -6
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Post by jacquelope on May 9, 2011 22:52:49 GMT -6
www.cnbc.com/id/42952158Does this guy even realize what will happen to China if our economy collapses? Or what'll happen to that $2T if China ever invested it here? Hint: it won't go to jobs. It'll go right to the ultra rich.
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Post by jacquelope on May 9, 2011 22:34:09 GMT -6
my question back to these bozos who push this garbage is why is it the middle and working class of america's responsibility to build up the workers of another country? why should I sacrifice my hard work, education for someone else in another country? hy should we sacrifice the wealth, innovation, infrasturcture build up by the hard work of our fathers and granfaters? sound like socialism to me, on a global scale. And as I've also said to those brain-dead comments, what are these poor people in other nations going to do when we run out of jobs to export? What will they do when our dollar collapses and we can't buy their goods anymore? China lost 20 million jobs during our 2008 downturn. If the Dollar takes a dive their entire economy is jones'd.
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Post by jacquelope on May 8, 2011 21:23:39 GMT -6
This guy Gonzomax really knocked it right out of the park with this discovery.
I'm looking for the transcript or links to these comments by this economist "Ha-Joon Chang". This stuff is really devastating to the pro-offshoring movement.
I'd tweak argument #8 somewhat, but other than that... good stuff!
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Post by jacquelope on May 8, 2011 19:56:42 GMT -6
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Post by jacquelope on May 8, 2011 18:58:26 GMT -6
Some people think that the only worthwhile job is one sitting behind a desk, doing meetings and calling people on the phone. Anything else to them is menial and worthless in nature. BTW this mentality seems to be quite apparent among younger college grads. They think working with one's hands, even if it's high skilled like making circuit boards for NASA space probes or sub systems in a CAT scan machine is moron work. Which is why they won't even address the loss of R&D and tech industry jobs overseas. They won't dare talk about that at ALL.
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Post by jacquelope on May 6, 2011 21:26:04 GMT -6
The luddites were highly skilled artisans who were protesting bad economic policy that degraded their value as skilled labor I am sure unemployed garment workers in the carolinas would be happy to have those "low value" jobs back they once had, I am sure it beats working at the convenience store And that's the gist of it all - there's this big promise of people leaving textiles and manufacturing and going onto higher-value, higher-paid work. That isn't always true, and now it is quite rarely true.
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Post by jacquelope on May 6, 2011 9:44:27 GMT -6
It was not too long after college that I realized that it really didn't matter so much what you knew, or how hard you wroked, it was all about who you knew and what class you were born into that was the primary predictor of your ultimate success sure there are examples of those that brke through, but these are the exceptions rather than the rule. and this has never been more true than today Social darwinism is most certainly alive and well among folks like the jackass that made the blob statement People don't realize that because they still believe that somehow they will be successful if only they work harder. I wonder if anyone ever recall the game of musical chairs?
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Post by jacquelope on May 5, 2011 19:32:39 GMT -6
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Post by jacquelope on May 5, 2011 18:14:27 GMT -6
I know this is nutty but have you guys seen the Georgia Guidestone? It's a modern Stonehenge-like monument erected a few decades ago. It calls for the reduction of the human population to 500 million. If you read it, it reads like a twisted manifesto of liberalism, but it also reeks of sleight of hand: if you read the 10 tenets of this Guidestone, you might notice that capitalism, with its global economy and push for stuff like the "bancor", has agendas that are strongly in line with the Guidestone. Capitalism does a lot to screw with the environment (which one of its tenets addresses), but look where the rich live. Their fields are green and their water is uncontaminated. Get the workers and low-end businesses out of the way and they have a monopoly on all that is clean, good and beautiful in the world. I wish I had a link on me right now which talks about this one island in the Greenland/Iceland area; perfectly beautiful ecology and the rich are buying tracts of land there like crazy. The Georgia Guidestones.
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Post by jacquelope on May 5, 2011 12:31:03 GMT -6
Sickening. More sickening is that a lot of us (myself included) were sucked into this idiotic belief system. Same here. I mean, I am ambitious and I see nothing wrong with that, and I own a successful business... but when I was a kid I wanted to be a billionaire. You're not a failure if you're not a billionaire. The time is coming where billions of dollars won't mean jack monkey squat. It's then that you learn that your ambitions, whatever they are, should not lead you to step on people on your way up. Friends, family and good will are the cornerstone of any ambitions, if your strategy for success doesn't include helping others and cooperating with the regular folk, then your ambitions are poorly thought-out. You never know when the fall will come and you'll be looking to them for help. For instance remember those professional baseball players? If the dollar crashes the way some pundits say it is, they're not gonna be as rich as someone who has made friends with the farmers, engineers and people who will be looked at to keep their community going. For all their money and ambitions they're gonna be pretty resource-insecure.
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Post by jacquelope on May 4, 2011 1:57:35 GMT -6
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Post by jacquelope on Apr 30, 2011 11:53:55 GMT -6
Here's another concern. When the German currency collapsed because of the bankers it led to the rise of Hitler. In Russia they got Putin. Before I go on I should say this... I don't want a huge humanitarian catastrophe of the magnitude that will accompany an American collapse. The thing is, I see it as unavoidable at this point. Allow me to offer a theory. It's about a wrench. If it were offered to you for free, would you not take it? If you could use it to do your work for free, would you not do so? If it breaks or wears out, do you not throw it away without a second thought? This is how the ultra wealthy think of the working class. Even us second/third-from-the-bottom business owners are little more than tools to them. "Them" is the investor class, the people who earn billions from sheer residual income, the ones who get big payouts no matter which way the economy goes, the ones who can short sell entire industries or whole nations and get rich if their doomsday bets pay off and get bailouts if doomsday doesn't happen. To them the working class and us small fish business owners are an inconvenience. We're the wrench they have to pay to do the work to make them money or make their life easier. When we're no longer useful they can, will and almost always do dispose of us. Now look to the future, particularly into automation. The rich are always trying to find ways to automate away workers. When they can do this to the point where entire industries no longer need workers, they'll pull the rug out from under the workers. That means you get to fend for yourself - but since you'll be living on their land, and everything will be their land, they'll force you off. You won't have anywhere to go; you'll be a trespasser everywhere. That, folks, is called liquidation time. Like I said, remember the wrench. This is basic wrench-o-nomics. Go with this basic pattern: use the workers, use them with the bare minimum compensation that they can get away with, then dispose of the workers when they're worn out or no longer useful. When you no longer need any workers, push them out of your realm entirely. If you assume this premise you will not be shocked the next time you see the ultra wealthy reaching for new moral lows; because you will understand that the ultra wealthy are in fact reaching for new heights - rungs on a ladder towards the final goal of not needing workers at all, and not having workers clog up their lives. Oh, sure, there'll be a few kept around to entertain them. Some sexual fodder, too. But do not believe that they want you as a serf. They're looking way past that; they want you gone. Why would you keep broken or useless wrenches around? Throw it in the landfill. Basic wrench-o-nomics. If this happens society is in for an overdose of its favorite drug, social Darwinism. Hopefully it will be such a horrible overdose that the survivors will never allow society to ever go back to worshipping profits over people. As bad and horrible as this potential dark age is, it is much better than what amounts to the only alternative we have left. Either scenario is possible. They can make the necessary moves to keep the system going until they can replace the workers, or they can screw up and everything falls apart. Right now it's hard for me, personally, to tell which way things will go.
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Post by jacquelope on Apr 30, 2011 7:44:45 GMT -6
I predicted only in subjects that I felt confident enough to commit to print. I stay away from giving opinions and/or predictions outside of these selected matters. If I am good at understanding the current mix of politics and economics, then I expected that I would be able to project these views into concrete selective predictions. I project and analyze from my limited experiences and knowledges...I deny knowing the future. I am not a Nostradamus, who was a French apothecary and reputed seer see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NostradamusYou simply see the writing on the wall. Many people who claim to be economists fail to even do that. Heck, when I worked in the business for someone else, I told people to sell their stuff in 2006-2007. I was going on instinct, not numbers. They wound up selling at or near the apex. It's all about the writing on the wall.
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Post by jacquelope on Apr 30, 2011 1:30:39 GMT -6
The problem is that we're headed for a Mexico-style plutocracy, where the rich live high off the labor of the working class. The workers can no longer afford health care, dental care is totally out of reach, and food is getting out of reach, too. Energy prices are skyrocketing. But they keep saying inflation is TAME!! This is all about social Darwinism - the rich get everything and the working class gets to fend for themselves. This is all about population control, getting rid of the poor and those that the rich deem unnecessary. Take this and use it as a measuring stick to predict everything they want, you'll find it is dead-on. What we need is a global economic collapse. That sounds horrible and it is horrible, but it does nothing to the working class that is not already inevitable. This is absolutely important to consider. Without global economic collapse the working class is on its way to suffering EVERYTHING that comes with total collapse. Except that without total collapse, the rich will simply discard the workers. Before you go on, stop and watch the movie Zardoz - that's what is in store for the workers if we continue our current course. A total collapse is different from the status quo in only one way: it serves to put the uber-wealthy's skin back into the game. Society is addicted to social Darwinism; as such, a global economic collapse is like a giant fix of said drug, which will drive civilization into a total fatal overdose of its favorite moral narcotic. Civilization will fall over, froth at the mouth, spasm and convulse, and then die, perhaps even resulting in a Dark Age - a Dark Age that is already falling like a giant pall upon the working class. A collapse of that magnitude will force the survivors to re-think their take on the economy, and perhaps realize that unrestricted globalism and free trade is like dumping a bunch of kids on an island with no rules.People will say a global collapse would mean unprecedented crime, starvation, death and ruin - but all of that is unavoidable now. All that is left to argue about is the timeline, and whether there'll be a superclass of people who profit off the coming misery. A total collapse means no one profits. Lack of one, at this point, means the working class, everywhere, will live like the people of Mexico.
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Post by jacquelope on Apr 25, 2011 19:53:55 GMT -6
This morning the high for the day is very close to my prediction and is within 1 of 370.00....at 369.08I wish I had put money on you way back. Of course who was gonna bet against you? (OK a lot of dumb folks will.) So what event can we expect to see happening once this line is crossed?
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Post by jacquelope on Apr 23, 2011 14:39:44 GMT -6
thats a bit like someone basing a religion on a cheezy sci-fi book from the 50's.....oh wait, someone did that too! *snorts pepsi* hahahah good one!
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Post by jacquelope on Apr 22, 2011 21:59:18 GMT -6
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Post by jacquelope on Apr 22, 2011 2:21:11 GMT -6
Hey where's the link to the OP story? I want to post this to the Straight Dope Message Board and humiliate a few pro-offshoring knuckleheads over there.
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Post by jacquelope on Apr 22, 2011 2:06:50 GMT -6
Ayn Rand received Social Security and Medicare. You may pick yourselves back up now.
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Post by jacquelope on Apr 19, 2011 21:33:46 GMT -6
Here's a clear cut case of IP theft. In this case Fellowes stationary. Seems the greedy execs decided to partner with the Chinese who promptly stole their designs right down to the serial numbers and the manufacturing equipment. Now they are whining like little children and can't figure out why their cost cutting moves wrecked the company. I'm crying for them. Really, watch me play my violin. Really, that's a violin. It's really tiny but it's a violin!!
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Post by jacquelope on Apr 18, 2011 15:46:24 GMT -6
And this goes on with new inventors all the time. All the fuckers want is to be a millionaire and they don't care if they have to use slave labor to get their big mansion, cocaine and fast cars. I see this all the time on those "success" stories on NBC where they profile businessmen who made it big. Everyone of them has outsourced. The US Dollar is in big trouble right now. Outsourcing may become impossible very soon.
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Post by jacquelope on Apr 18, 2011 14:25:42 GMT -6
How will the rich maintain power? How will they pay their troops to protect their holdings? What will the rich pay their bodyguards with?
If workers walk out of factories because their paychecks are worthless, how will anyone be able to find and punish them?
What foreign currency will survive the collapse of the US Dollar? What economy out there will survive the loss of America as an export market?
It looks to me like the plutocracy will collapse if the dollar does.
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